K12 Educational system

[Metz]

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1. Funding comes from vouchers...each voucher has an exact redeemable amount in educational institutions only.
2.If they could not afford the gap, then they have to weigh that decision by themselves if it is worth risking everything or not... they have that power to choose. That by itself promotes responsibility of how to choose and maintain the education of their children.
3.On the contrary, there will be more teachers who will apply in this kind of system. If they see that by working hard, they will be compensated justly for the amount of effort they give, then many hardworking and dedicated teachers will apply. The differentiation between private and public teacher will be minimal.
4. Education is itself an investment. An investment is something one has to pay or to risk something before he can achieve the desired results. Yes, students still pay for their own food, things, in excess of the amount of the voucher given to them... But the beauty of this is that public schools can be flexible in how to accomodate students, they have to earn their income through really serving the needs of the students.

2.If they could not afford the gap, then they have to weigh that decision by themselves if it is worth risking everything or not... they have that power to choose. That by itself promotes responsibility of how to choose and maintain the education of their children. - yes and most can't afford the gap mao mag-awas ang studyante sa public schools.

3.On the contrary, there will be more teachers who will apply in this kind of system. If they see that by working hard, they will be compensated justly for the amount of effort they give, then many hardworking and dedicated teachers will apply. The differentiation between private and public teacher will be minimal.

Ill assume all teachers in public schools are hardworking. but no matter how good a teacher you are, managing more than 50 pupils per section is very hard. kay di jud na nimo maatiman tanan.

4. Education is itself an investment. An investment is something one has to pay or to risk something before he can achieve the desired results. Yes, students still pay for their own food, things, in excess of the amount of the voucher given to them... But the beauty of this is that public schools can be flexible in how to accomodate students, they have to earn their income through really serving the needs of the students.

yes it's an investment. but saon, nagskwela na gani sa public school kay walay pang invest.

[Metz]

Personally, wa man koy issue ani basta lang inig tong-tong sa college, wala na nang mga minors na English, Filipino, Chem, etc. Gasto na kaayo nang mga subjects na di related sa course.

Nice man sad ning K-12 kay after highschool kay eligible na ang mga HS graduates for employment. Cynical ra sad kaayo ang mga taw bahin aning K-12. I understand na gasto pero huna-hunaa na kada lihok nato kay gigastohan nato like muinom ug tubig or muginhawa. Wa na juy libre aning panahona. Kakugi lang jud ang kailangan.

ideally mao unta ni. make the college courses 3 years nalang kay mahulog naa na ang minors sa k11 ug k12. however murag dugay pani maimpliment hangtud di pa mahan-ay ang k-12

I agree. Why didn't they look at that option first before implementing the K-12 Program? hmmmm.. Makes me wonder..

the administration had no choice.


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[emow]

2. i think you are confusing two paradigms here... you were inquiring about my paradigm of a different form of public school... yes, if they can't afford the private school, then they can still opt for public school... but the possibility of some private educational institution who are willing to accept these vouchers is good, since there is an incentive for them to accept students who would otherwise be going for public education.
3. again, you are judging from my suggested paradigm and apply it to the current one...
4. some people are born really unfortunate in this world... it's no ones fault... but the suggested paradigm can greatly improve the current QUALITY of education for many low income families. The current system provides education for all, inspite of the shortages, inefficiencies, and indifference of the public school system.. Quality has been sacrificed for quantity.... Would you rather have to provide poor quality education for all or an improved quality for many?

* my firm stand on the real issue of education is fully unregulated and fully unprovided by government. There are far too many issues that i can expound on but i must conform to the primary discussion of this thread, seeing we have inched away from the topic..

[cliff_drew]

I think its about time nga tagaan ug pagtagad ug dakong budget ang education. Through K12, its not all about additional two years. Hinay-hinayon sad ug address ang mga issues like kulang sa schools, classrooms, facilities, teachers, etc. I agree with most of you nga this is an additional burden to parents. Pero bisan man siguro ug walay K12, naglisod gihapon ang uban ug paeskwela sa ilang mga anak. Moreklamo nga lisod na daw ang panahon pero daghan ug mga anak. Lisod na daw ibuhi pero nakigchismis sa silingan imbis nga mangitag para makwartahan. Kung tabangan sa parents nga magkugi ilang mga anak, naay chance nga maka apply sila ug scholarship or naay mo sponsor sa ilang pag eskwela. Again, tabangan ba ta sa government kung walay dakong budget gigahin para sa education? when the government promotes transparency para dili ma corrupt ang budget, dili ta gusto ana?

On teachers' part, most common complain nila sa increase sa salary. Again, if naay dakong budget impossible sad nga dili sila ma increasan.

On the students' part, dapat mawala ng mindset nga "kapoy eskwela", "walay nadato sa pageskwela", "kanang algebra, trigo... magamit na inig pangitag trabaho". You might laugh at this but this is true. In the end, uwahi ang pagbasol kay wala kahuman, maglisod pangita ug trabaho.

Regarding quality education, again, if naay budget there's a great chance nga magatagaan ug saktong training ang mga teachers. Decongestion of the curriculum, topics focusing in science and technology, music and arts, agriculture and fisheries, business and entrepreneurship. This framework is what we need to have quality education.

When shall we see improvements in our education system? shall we wait for another time when this will not be prioritized anymore? This will be their legacy, we should grab it now. This K12 will not be successful if we only let the government do their thing. We should also help them as this will also help ourselves too.

/eor

[emow]

^ an increased in budget doesn't increase quality of education....in fact, an increase budget on public education almost always decrease quality of education.... US is a good example...Ever since they expanded their Department of education, and invested hundreds of billions of dollars to improve infrastructure, technology and compensation for teachers, their graduates have continually decline in international exams... As long as competition is absent, quality will also be absent.

[monroy]

^ Exam scores don't measure the benefits of education but what you can plainly see is how the U.S. dominates in almost all areas of technology. Look at all the top technology companies. America still has the best colleges and universities in the world that are the top of their field. The purpose of big budget for public education isn't to make everyone smart but to give people a fair chance. With the poor quality of our public education, you might have the next Bill Gates in school now but because of the school system he won't have the chance to put up a big company that can pump billions into our economy.

[emow]

^ you have a point... but their unemployment rate is far worse than our own country... America's best universities are private universities, and these are not included with government funding. But to emphasize my point, let us limit within basic education and not the tertiary education.

What happened with the US education system is that the budgets were significantly magnified that different schools are spending it more on unnecessary things that don't really contribute to education. They have awarded themselves large compensations, teachers enjoy huge government benefits despite of the quality of students they produce. Many students graduate lacking in basic academic skills, especially in basic reading, basic math, and basic science... Exam scores don't measure the benefits of education, because frankly speaking, education's benefits are purely subjective... That's why it is important for the government to taper off subsidies in the education department and create an entirely revolutionary system of education were competition is at the core of quality improvement.

School education is not the only way of securing an education. But since we have a centralized department, we really don't have much diverse models of education. We only know 1 way of educating and i'm afraid it is failing our students... The government needs to back away and give schools enough breathing space to spawn creative ways of delivering quality education.

John Stossel - Government Schools - YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw- these might shed some light...

[cliff_drew]

^ an increased in budget doesn't increase quality of education....in fact, an increase budget on public education almost always decrease quality of education.... US is a good example...Ever since they expanded their Department of education, and invested hundreds of billions of dollars to improve infrastructure, technology and compensation for teachers, their graduates have continually decline in international exams... As long as competition is absent, quality will also be absent.

Competition is always there. With increased budget, public schools will upgrade their facilities, train and produce competent teachers and students. More budget, more improvements. Thus, it promotes quality education as what have been done by private schools. So there's still competition.

[emow]

^nope, public schools incur debt in the national budget...they don't register a profit. Why? Because they are subsidized by the government.. Private schools have to compete, either maintaining their high quality education where they are known for or improving even further... They stay in business as long they maintain a profit... Its the profit aspect that makes two people, two businesses, two institutions, or any two parties compete...

What you are stating is how public schools compete in spending the subsidy they are getting... So if they want more subsidy, they just have to bootlick with politics rather than encouraging more enrollment through their quality education.... The money comes from the government for the public schools, and not from students therefore competition is zero. unless you count an interschool quiz bee as a competition, which is an entirely insignificant issue....

[cliff_drew]

^ The problem lies on controlled subsidies. Budget for education was controlled because it isn't the government's priority plus corruption within its agencies and politicians. I believe for K12, it will not be the same as what happened for years.

Also, it might be not evident as a whole but their are some public schools who were competing in terms of student achievements with limited resources. Much more if they are given a chance to improve their way of teaching through enhanced facilities and materials you'll see how public schools compete private. I came from a public school, I knew what they really need.