True Age of the Universe - Biblical Fact - From Age 0 to Jesus

[rodsky]

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I wonder Why man mu conclude nga credible ang Science nga di paman ka explain ang Science sa tanang butang? Science has a long history of correcting/contradicting itself based on its own new scientific discoveries. What is Credible by Science today may Not be credible by Science tomorrow.

I don't see anything wrong with that. I'd rather have an imperfect but open, self-correcting system in place, rather than one that does commit mistakes yet chooses to HIDE those mistakes to appear "perfect".

-RODION

[ketllac]

I wonder Why man mu conclude nga credible ang Science nga di paman ka explain ang Science sa tanang butang? Science has a long history of correcting/contradicting itself based on its own new scientific discoveries. What is Credible by Science today may Not be credible by Science tomorrow.

credibility doesnt mean absolute one nga dili masayop or maka explain sa tanan..kani lang part...pangitag lain nga system or method nga naimbento sa tawo nga maka surpass sa scientific method and its credibility and reliability...? kung naa gani kay makita-an diha na ta moingon nga less credible ang science kay naa man ta macompare.nahimo siyang credible in the sense wala pay system nga susama ka reliable nga na imbento sa tawo...ay kog- ingna nga mo kunsulta kag bible to forecast weather, to discover medicines for aids and cancer and new technology..

ana lang bai, tagai kog system nga maka surpass sa method sa science nga na imbento sa tawo...occult? tagna- tagna ug witchcraft?

[rodsky]

Dili gani ma solve sa government and the law ang criminality and injustice, but we still use it everyday, and consciously correct any mistakes that it commits as it goes about its mechanisms. Mao nga naa ta'y stuff like Impeachment proceedings or simple court cases going on--the entire system is also based on the scientific method--imperfect, but we keep using it because to a certain extent it works, and while we are alive and thinking, we continuously and consciously try to improve it as best as we can. Thus in essence, governance is founded upon the scientific method and critical thinking--the only reason why sometimes government is inefficient in handling matters is because of the people in the different offices and bureaus who DO NOT use the scientific method in carrying out their tasks (and of course...the big C, no not cancer...CORRUPTION). But once these problems are identified and the people replaced with more efficient ones, government CAN and WILL act to make things better for most of its constituents, otherwise, revolt will take place.

-RODION

[ketllac]

OT: wow good idea sir rods..ang science unta should be applied pag -ayo diha sa pang gobyerno..

[Grammaton]

Presenting, ang mangingilad:

Subject: Kent Hovind


Kent E. Hovind (born January 15, 1953) is an American young earth creationist. Hovind has spoken on creation science and has aimed to convince listeners to reject theories of evolution, geophysics, and cosmology in favor of the Genesis creation narrative from the Bible. Hovind's views are contradicted by scientific evidence and some of his ideas have also been criticized by young earth creationist organizations such as Answers in Genesis.

Hovind established the Creation Science Evangelism ministry in 1989, and frequently spoke on young Earth creationism at seminars at private schools and churches, debates, and on radio and television broadcasts. Since January 2007, Hovind has been serving a ten-year prison sentence after being convicted of 58 federal counts, including 12 tax offenses, one count of obstructing federal agents, and 45 counts of structuring cash transactions. He is incarcerated at the FPC Satellite Camp of the ADX Florence prison in Florence, Colorado.

-RODION

See? unsa jud ka-bias ang imong thinking rodsky. sayon ra kayo pagbuhat2 ug istorya para lang dauton ang usa ka tawo pero wla pa gani ka kasiguro kung tinuod ba na siya. mostly puro anti-government. normal lang na nga buhaton sa mga leaders kung ikaw mag oppose na sa ilaha, just like manny pacquiao, dali kayo makapangita ug sayop ang kontra!

pero dili jud matarug ang tawo kung naa lang sya sa tinuod bisan unsa pay inyong buhaton!!!!

[Grammaton]

@grammaton

mao man gyud ng science falsifiable...abi kay mautro utro mawala na lang ang credibility..mas mawala ang credibility sa system nga gi view as infallible nga dili mo utro sa stand bisan proven wrong na diay on the process..

give an example unsay na prove nga wrong.

ang theory of evolution, lahi ang view sa church ana. infact wala gi discourage ug wala sad gi encourage kay neutral lang..sayop imo pangagpas sa evolution kay wala niingon si lolo Darwin nga gikan ta sa primates particularly Chimpanzees iya lang giingon nga "we share about 94% of our DNA with them and both evolved from a common ancestor but doesnt mean gikan sa ungoy...kining misconception gikan ra sa mga religious zealots para i discredit si Darwin..

then unsa may porma sa atong ancestor ug sa unggoy kung mauhon na? of course ma discredit jud kung dili maprove ang theory. nag wonder lang ko, naa gihapon nagsige embrace ani nga theory ni darwin nga dugay naman tawn nang gi scrap oi!

na naunsa man ka oi..maka sustain ba ang argument about the physical age of the universe without consulting science nga authorize..sige pangitaa ang calendar system diha sa bible nga ma equate nimo anang creation story...di jud na nimo makit-an sa bible alone lang....usa pa si HOvind na priso kay mangingilad..

mao bitaw nang gibuhat ni Hovind to prove that the bible accounts are true, dili diay na scientific iyang research? naa rana sa taw kung mo accept sila either old or young universe.

yup I agree....so based sa akong assessment ug assessment sa mga credible authority molabas nga mas credible ang science to conclude nga ang universe tiguwang na, so dapat open sad ta ana para maka learn..

sa akoa part, kanang butanga is not a big deal . importante is we believe that this universe was created!

[ketllac]

@grammaton

na priso na si Kent Hovind because of tax evasion..

lets consult the bible "You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Matthew 7:16

if we based it in the bible, ca we trust his words?

[Grammaton]

We all know that this kind of debate will only lead us to nothing and at the end of the day we gain stuffs nga puno2 lang sa atong confusion! our lifespan is not enough to understand everything in this universe.

Bottomline is, sige tag hisgot about evolution which took millions or billions of years but we are not wise enough to take care of the most important things in life which is to know GOD who is the creator and worthy of all worship and praises!!!

[ketllac]

@grammaton

give an example unsay na prove nga wrong.

ang simbahang katoliko was proven wrong when they supported the scientific discovery at that time that the earth was thought to be a center of the universe (geocentric model) ..however the infallibility of the church is exclusive only on faith and morals. It doesn't include the physical explanation of the universe. the infallibility doesnt go beyond its realm.

then unsa may porma sa atong ancestor ug sa unggoy kung mauhon na? of course ma discredit jud kung dili maprove ang theory. nag wonder lang ko, naa gihapon nagsige embrace ani nga theory ni darwin nga dugay naman tawn nang gi scrap oi!

ambot ni darwin..wala sad ko kabalo. punto lang ni Darwin nga ang ungoy ug ang tawo share common ancestor..we can't deny that because ang dna sa tawo almost the same sa ungoy..pero wala nag pasabot nga gikan ta sa unngoy..ana lang gud...ayaw lang lapas diha, pareha sa mga religious zealots..

mao bitaw nang gibuhat ni Hovind to prove that the bible accounts are true, dili diay na scientific iyang research? naa rana sa taw kung mo accept sila either old or young universe.

technically dili scientific research..because ang principle sa scientific research involves neutrality..walang pinapanigan at puro katotohanan lamang hehehe..technically wala sad siyay expertise sa field sa paleontology, archaeology,and other related fields.. He doesnt even have a PHD in that field..and he is not open for peer review, and further investigation sa scientific community nga basic component sa scientific method..mao na nga fraudster siya..ug gusto lang siya mo prove sa iyahang bias nga stand..

sa akoa part, kanang butanga is not a big deal . importante is we believe that this universe was created!

bitaw diha ta mag kasinabot..pero kung ang science mo sulti sa physical explanation sa mga butang/matter duna nay kabug aton..kung ato faith mosulti sa mga spiritual nga butang duna sad nay kabug- aton..silang duha walay conflikto..kay non overlapping man ang science ug faith..lahi lahi ilang aim..ug ayaw kabalaka ana..

[Grammaton]

@grammaton

na priso na si Kent Hovind because of tax evasion..

lets consult the bible "You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Matthew 7:16

if we based it in the bible, ca we trust his words?

If we are going to compare Hovind ug sa inyoha, kinsa kaha ang mas limpyo sa atubangan sa ginoo?Do not attack the person kay masumbalik na sa inyoha.