Who's into Hamsters?

[kaeljamir]

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ok raba mag inbreeding(ionay ang iyang anak sa iyang inahan) pidi raba...

[meANDyou]

dili bro woe...d man na cla mg.unay



tsk.....

[SundryBox]

kanang mag tumbling kay its a disorder sa iya nervous system..... usually bec of genetic problems due to inbreeding...... never ever breed siblings. so much the better kung lahi ang laki...lahi sad ang girl... dli related...

[ranzzz]

"Many people in the hamster fancy as well as many other rodent fancies have it in their minds that to breed two related animals will result in things such as stillbirth, sickly animals, deformed animals, aggressive animals, etc. This has been a common misconception for years upon years. The fact remains that whether you realize it or not, to some degree, your very own hamster is most likely inbred.

Unless a person goes out to the wild and captures their own hamster, chances are that you have a hamster from a breeder, petshop, or another domestic source. Domesticated hamsters have been in the hands of breeders since 1937 when they were released to private parties from a London lab. The hamsters that were released were inbred from a single litter that was captured with the mother in Syria in 1930. Domesticated hamsters spread around the world from this original litter and another base stock was not shipped into North America until 1971 and even so, DNA studies have shown that all domestic stock in North America has come down from a single female which is believed to be the original 1930s female.

Inbreeding is defined as the breeding of two genetically related parents. This definition is rather broad in that if one looks back on any given species, all are inbred several generations over, including the human species! What has more commonly become known as the definition of inbreeding is closer genetic relations such as brother/sister, mother/son, father/daughter, cousin/cousin, etc. Throughout history as well as in media and entertainment (movies, books, music…) we have been taught "inbreeding is bad". Not only from these sources but from our own bodies we have been taught through release of Oxytocin to recognize our family members as not acceptable for mating. Unfortunately rodents and other animals do not function in the same way as humans and due to this, many of our social beliefs and actions tend to be projected onto them as if they function in the same way. They do not.

Most animals do not have a hormonal trigger that clicks on to tell them that they shouldn't breed with their siblings, parents, or other relative. In many humans, this has also been found to be repressed or even missing! However, this is why animals are born to seek out the strongest, most capable of a species to breed with. Most capable may mean "most available" in many cases which is where we have cases of siblings mating or an offspring breeding with it's parent. The wonderful thing about this is that unless there are glaring genetic anomalies or health problems present, the resulting offspring tend to be just fine.

A very bad stigma has been placed upon inbreeding and linebreeding due to many tellings and fictional stories. Some people would have you believe that breeding a single generation of brother/sister pairing would result in deformed, sickly, or even stillborn hamster pups! This just isn't the case. In fact, laboratories studies have been done in which brother/sister pairings have been done for upwards of 20 or more generations with little, if any, problems. Can problems crop up? Of course they can, but that is where genetics comes in.

When you breed two genetically similar (related) animals, you are essentially double stacking the genes of these animals. In any proper breeding program, you will be breeding animals that are the largest, strongest, healthiest, and if showing, most conforming to standard possible. That being said, you would not purposely breed an animal with a deformity, illness, or known temperament problem. If you are breeding two known to be healthy animals, there is little worry about stacking genes due to their already having known positive qualities. Even so, you have things such as recessive genes that may have negative effects that come into play. Just as stacking good genes can happen, stacking bad can happen equally.

I have mentioned the term "linebreeding" several times in this posting thus far and it is for a reason. Linebreeding is not as simple as mating related animals. Linebreeding is a carefully calculated method of selectively breeding related animals to achieve certain goals and results. Such goals can be to remove a bad trait from a line, isolate a specific gene that is defective, and to overall improve the line/species as a whole. By weeding out the bad genes, you essentially create a better animal overall that will have a healthier, happier, and in many cases, longer life! Linebreeding IS NOT done because one does not wish to purchase new stock. Many ill informed breeders learn the term "linebreeding" and use it to gloss over bad breeding habits. Unfortunately this is a problem that adds to the already stigmatized thought of inbreeding.

So to summarize…

Most, if not all, hamsters that are domestically available have come down from the same mother and litter which was extensively linebred for study.
Inbreeding and linebreeding can be quite beneficial when undertaken properly.
You will not instantly find yourself in the possession of sick, mean, deformed, or stillborn pups from a single generation of pups born to a brother/sister pair.
Inbred hamsters do not live unhealthier or shorter lives than hamsters bred to constant outcrosses.
Linebreeding and inbreeding, when done properly can be very beneficial to any breeding program and can produce healthier animals overall. The problems arise when you have little knowledge of your animals genetics and the bad genes start stacking up. These are the cases where you find things such as poor immune systems, deformities, blindness, and other abnormalities.
Leave the breeding to those that are willing to do the research and go the extra distance to ensure not only healthy hamsters, but if you do find yourself with an unintentional litter, don't panic! Even if you have a pair that are siblings or related, there is little to worry about other than raising the pups to the best of your ability!
Remember, the only way people become educated is by sharing GOOD information. If we allow these myths and stigmas to continue it does nothing for the hamster community, owners, future research, or the hamsters themelves.
In closing, if you find that you do have an inbred hamster, enjoy them! They are just like any other hamster regardless of parentage! As long as you love them and give them the best home and life possible, that is what REALLY matters.


If you are interested in reading up further on this controversial subject, I have assembled some links for your viewing pleasure:

http://bowlingsite.mcf.com/genetics/inbreeding.html
http://carawatha.tripod.com/inbreeding.htm
http://www.aaahamsters.org/Inbreeding.html
http://www.britishhamsterassociation.org.uk/get_article.php?fname=journal/breeding_methods.htm"



share lang ko unsa ako nabasahan hehehe Inbreeding and Linebreeding, the Facts, the Myths, and the Stigma - Hamster Hideout Forum

[SundryBox]

This is my opinion. I still think we should not make it a worse matter than it already is... naa na gni inbred history,, imuha pa ibreed further og sibling... definitely we know that in other animal forms... breeding with the same line or genes results to genetic problems then consequently diseases or disorders. I have a veterinarian classmate sa masteral classes nko. and she said it is not advisable. luoy ang animal. This means to dilute the bad traits or so called lethal genes,you should pair your hamster with a hamster from another source. I dont mean if you have a pet who is a victim of inbreeding, imuha ilabay. Take care of him nevertheless. But dont make matters worse by breeding that inbred with his sibling. It's scientific explanation rooted on genetics, common sense and logic. Or maybe try imagining being the animal yourself. I don't think it's pleasurable living with genes that can make you sick.

[primacordx]

I think inbreed is good till their grandson and daughter.. then you can cross them to other line for better result.. same as breeding fighting cock.. inbreed 1st the cross breed to have the battlecocks.

[jmaxdb]

unsa d.i ng siberian hamster? same ra na sila sa winter white russian? ??

[gazelle]

My hamster experience:
Mga 2 mos nako since nag start ug buhi ug hamster, naay panahon nga na bc ko wala nako nalimpiohe akong cage hugaw na d i. naa ok ok nagshare sa ila food, akong gbuhat gbutangan nako mothballs ang palibot screen man akong cage, wala ko nagtoo nga makitkitan nila ang mothballs, kuyawa gani nako kay abi nako mahilo, thx God kay wala ra. Karon hapi nasad cla wala nay ok2x limpio na cla. Kana lang butangan nako sand bath mag ilog nia magbugno ug ilog sa butanganan sa sand kinsay makauna ug pailalum.


Naa d i ko question, nisulod lagi ang balagtok nga gagmay kaau, unsaon man nako? dli na makadaot sa ako hamster? Hugaw man gud na nga rodents ang balagtok.

[quirkychinita]

I have a pet hamster, ruby eyed siberian hamster.... na train na nako siya how to respond to his nickname "Cappu" short for cappuccino... picture coming up...


he never had any problems with me he never circles around his cage kay everytime mulakaw ko or kada gabie naa siya sa hamster ball nia so he;d roll all over my room and never get bored.


I dont use serain or wood shavings, I use towels for his bedding.


Id rather keep one hamster lang kay kung duha man gud sila, magsigi ra na silag away.

hamsters are solitary creatures... bahalag di mudaghan, mas kapoy kung daghan, kang kinsa man pud nako ihatag kung manganak?

hehehehe....

so enough for one room companion lang... and someone I can train to obey my orders. hehehehe!

[redblue]

unsay vitamins para sa breeders?