Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[chris_bern]

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OT: Welcome back, santopaps/WordofGod/WOG/marine77.

OMG!!! tinood ni? magbantay na pud diay ko aning tawhana..

[yanong_banikanhon]

murag mao ni makapa tabla sa diskusyon dah

Hehe...bay SioDenz, kun wala ko masayop, nagtuo pud ka anang doktrina nga 'sola scriptura' - dili ka mutuo sa usa ka pagtulon-an kun kining pagtulon-ana dili mabasa letra por letra sa bible.

Para makatabla ka, ipakita kuno diri ang verse sa bible nga atong mabasa letra por letra nga 'we are saved by faith ALONE'.

Samtang imo pang giukay ang imong bible, ako sa i-share ang mga verse nga naghisgut nga ang tawo pagahukman sa DIOS dili lamang tungod sa iyang faith kundili tungod usab sa iyang binuhatan.

James 2:24
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

1 Timothy 4:16
Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

Rev. 22:12
Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

[marine77]

murag mao ni makapa tabla sa diskusyon dah

dili man jud mag-abot brod kay lain2 man ug interpretation gud! but kung sabton jud maayo, FAITH jud nga tinud-anay maoy kinahanglan diha which would lead to good works.

para magdaug, then ato nalang angkonon nga pulos daug ang duha ka side--hehhe. Padayon ta basta importante dili mawala ang faith sa equation.

[marine77]

OMG!!! tinood ni? magbantay na pud diay ko aning tawhana..

heheheh---magkatawa man lang ta ninyo brad! paminaw nako, si santopops/wordofgod nahimuot sad ninyo ani. Mura na nuon ug naay sakit kay kahadlokan man.

[Kenshiro]

@kenshiro

sakto ka kenshiro and I agree with that as a christian nga good works without faith can't save you.

kung utrohon nato without good works sa ana imo statement above. are we saved by faith alone? yes or no.

The answer is simple No.
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James 2:14-26

But if you consider Mark 7:1-9
then we can conclude we are saved by faith for works not by works alone we are saved by faith in Christ. But our faith in Christ doesn't gave us a license to sin but liberty from sin.


What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound ? God forbid . How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein ? Know ye not , that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:1-4

Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
John 5:14



Clearly this is very easy to understand If we are born again with Christ we are not free to sin this thought is simply a way to intentionally condescend Christian Doctrine and is totally unbiblical.

Once a person is saved and goes back to sinning he is 7 times worst than before.

But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
2 Peter 2:22

Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
Luke 11:26

[yanong_banikanhon]

Once a person is saved and goes back to sinning he is 7 times worst than before.

Aw, abi ko ba'g once na-saved na ang usa ka tawo, automatic na mamaayo ang iyang binuhatan. Makasala pa man lagi? Unya 'seven times worst than before' pa.

Sa ato pa, dili pa diay sure ang kaluwasan bisan nag-uros2x ug nag-awas2x na ang imong pagtoo basta dili nimo ubanan og maayong mga buhat.

Sakto gyud lagi diay ning giingon ni Paul nga:


Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my dear friends, ... continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling

[marine77]

Mao nay tinuod brad sa tawo nga magpalayo sa Ginoo nga gikan na gihinloan ang kinabuhi! ang evil spirit nga nagpuyo sa iyaha sa una mogawas then mang invite ug laing 7 other evil spirits in which iyang kinabuhi ug style mas worst pa kaysa permiro---that's the consequence kung mag backslide. pero dili jud sya magmalipayon sa iyang kinabuhi ana nga status. sabta ang account diha sa gospel about aning klase nga believer.

[ashrock]

usually, mag uban jud nang duha, morag bana'g asawa ba..hehehe..

[iTheo1875]

Mao nay tinuod brad sa tawo nga magpalayo sa Ginoo nga gikan na gihinloan ang kinabuhi! ang evil spirit nga nagpuyo sa iyaha sa una mogawas then mang invite ug laing 7 other evil spirits in which iyang kinabuhi ug style mas worst pa kaysa permiro---that's the consequence kung mag backslide. pero dili jud sya magmalipayon sa iyang kinabuhi ana nga status. sabta ang account diha sa gospel about aning klase nga believer.

not true, I know people who were once active in Born again churches but left now living happily.

[iTheo1875]

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