Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[kolo]

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We need to work in order for us to fullfill our goals. peace \m/

[iTheo1875]

..by the way i said goal like when you want to be at someplace or a certain state.

[SioDenz]

sure but Salvation is not categorized as commodity in the bible. Work out your Salvation isn't that what is written?

yup, its a gift... same as goal.

[SioDenz]

..by the way i said goal like when you want to be at someplace or a certain state.

same as if you want to be with God in heaven.

[SioDenz]

We need to work in order for us to fullfill our goals. peace \m/

Agree..

But what if you are wishing in your own mind only that you want an iPhone in your birthday. And then when your bday comes, you aunt from Saudi sent you an iPhone bisag wala ka nangayo niya or wa siya kabalo mao diay na imu ganahan. Applicable pa ba kaha nang imung statement?

[yanong_banikanhon]

Kanang word nga 'salvation by faith alone', buot2x ra na ni Martin Luther. Dili na nimo mabasa letra por letra sa bibliya. Si Luther mismo niangkon:

If your papist wishes to make a great fuss about the word sola (alone), say this to him: "Dr. Martin Luther will have it so, and he says that a papist and a donkey are the same thing."

... I will brag against these donkeys of mine! Are they doctors? So am I. Are they scholars? So am I. Are they preachers? So am I. Are they theologians? So am I. Are they debaters? So am I. Are they philosophers? So am I. Are they logicians? So am I. Do they lecture? So do I. Do they write books? So do I.

src:

Dr. Martin Luthers Werke, (Weimar: Hermann Boehlaus Nachfolger, 1909), Band 30, Teil II, pp. 632-646
Luther's Open Letter on Translating

Sa laing bahin, si St. James mismo miingon:

James 2:24
Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Kun papilion ta, kinsa man ang atong tuohan, si Luther o si James?

[yanong_banikanhon]

Agree..

But what if you are wishing in your own mind only that you want an iPhone in your birthday. And then when your bday comes, you aunt from Saudi sent you an iPhone bisag wala ka nangayo niya or wa siya kabalo mao diay na imu ganahan. Applicable pa ba kaha nang imung statement?

Again, you still need to accept and keep that iPhone. You still need to act.

Pwede diay ka moingon, 'Auntie, dili na lang na nako dawaton ug ampingan ang imong gift nga iPhone. Sakto na nga nagtuo ko nga imo kong regalohan og iPhone. After all, it is my faith (not my actions/works) that matters.' ?

[chris_bern]

Faith, Hope and Love.. and the greatest of them all is love.. that's what I learned from our religion.

[iTheo1875]

yup, its a gift... same as goal.

I'm trying to give you an idea of what I meant in my previous post when i used the word goal. You gave it a different meaning to suit your own idea.

yup what? gift is the same as goal? how? work out your salvation that's what your bible says. Are you going to contradict what it says?

[iTheo1875]

same as if you want to be with God in heaven.

right and the key to it is by good works.