Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

[marine77]

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di mada ang faith alone.. wa tay pampalit pagkaon kung di ta mo work..

Thats foolishness!
Pasabot ba nga kung duna kay faith sa ginoo mawala ang imong diskarte sa kinabuhi? Mosamot hinuon ka kainspired brad kay nana kay wisdom.

[marine77]

TUBAGA daw akong pangutana:

Kung mag tithes ta ug 10% sa simbahan ug magsangyaw ta ug Biblia o atong ipadungog ang maayong balita sa katawhan (good works), makatabang ba kini sa atong salvation o Dili?

Klaruha kuno beh...

Wala jud nay contribution sa imong salvation brad!but sa imong pagbuhat ana, youll be blessed and itl returnd bak to you coz doing good works as a result of ur faith in him wd pleased God.

[marine77]

TUBAGA daw akong pangutana:

Kung mag tithes ta ug 10% sa simbahan ug magsangyaw ta ug Biblia o atong ipadungog ang maayong balita sa katawhan (good works), makatabang ba kini sa atong salvation o Dili?

Klaruha kuno beh...

Wala jud nay contribution sa imong salvation brad!but sa imong pagbuhat ana, youll be blessed and itl returnd bak to you coz doing good works as a result of ur faith in him wd pleased God.

[How'sThat?]

Salvation man in a Christian POV gud basaha gud ang first post. Kung imo jud e insert ang non-christian POV aw ayaw nalang pag expect na makakuha ka ug same answer. Kung moana ka nga good works ra di na kinahanglan ang faith aw imo pud na inyo man nang pagtulon-an basta kay sa Christian point of view kinahanglan jud ang faith. Di na ka ana ka lalis kay lahi man imo point of view.



yeah right.. suit yourself.. hahahaha

di ma da ug excuse bai oi klaro kaayo ga likay likay ka. hahaha.

like I said ang scope sa Salvation lapad kaayo. aykog ingna nga kana inyong sola fide applicable ra na sa Christendom, kong mao na ang gahom diay ana inyong Sola Fide limited kay way labot ang mga buddhists.

sa ato pa kong naay buddhist mo dool nimo nya ingnon ka nga good works ra ang kinahanglan para malowas, mo ingon ra diay ka nga "aw ok wa kay labot kay di man ka motoo ni Hesus" haha, sure ko bai kay kong imong tomanon inyong great commission mo ingon jud ka nga Jesus is the only way truth and life and you need faith not good works to get saved. pero ikaw diri kay ga likay likay man mo excuse na lang ka hahaha.

unsa may gamit diay ana inyong great commission? ang tomong ana kaluwasan man kaha sa katawhan? para ra diay na sa mga Christian? lol!

pero bai imo naman ng gitubag sa imong previous post. pero nagkatawa lang ko sa imong tobag kay contradictory kaayo. Tana-awa ha...

ingon ka nga ang ginoo na ang bahala sa mga tao nga nagsalig sa ilang GOOD WORKS apan wala motoo kaniya(God), so there is a possibility nga malowas sila kay di man definite imo tobag. BUT on the other hand ingon ka nga di puede mka luwas ang good works kay faith alone ra jud ang maka lowas, lol! kita ka sa imong lipat lipat nga tobag. ikaw mismo naglibog sa imong tobag, hasta ang Ginoo gi apil nimo sa imong binuang nga tobag.

checkmate!

[ketllac]

part youre talking about doctrines naman sa specific group, lahi2 man ug idea ang tawo on how they interpret it. Kung doctrines ug mga teachings ang panghisgutan, mabalikan ka ug daghang ?

specific group, pero most denominations nga ni protest sa Catholic founded by Luther ni tuo ug sola fide...pero uban lahi lahi ug interpretasyon. ug nag conflikto, unsaon man na ninyo? .now tagai kug documento nga official teaching sa protestant about sola fide nga kamo united without controversies..diba kuha nimo ang punto basin wala ha?

about sa imohang gituohan nga teachings which is sukwahi diha sa bibliya.

hoy di ni kapasar ing-ani...i sulti ug rasone nga with historical and logical proof usa, nganong sukwahi sa bibliya...di sad ni ang topic..kuha.?

[How'sThat?]

Lisud kayo tubayan brad ang tawo nga wala makasabot sa kamatuoran kay puro ra rinasonay nga walay point ang mashare dri.pero kung buot hunahunaon,wala raba juy title nga naka atubang ug dagkong crowd nga ni depensa sa iyang belief,pasabot nga lang nga layaw ra ang imong nakat unan kay wala man sad kay mashare nga makapadasig sa tawo ngadto sa ginoo.puro raman linawgaw ng imoha.

Ai nalang pud ug tuga2,maypa magpuyo ka para dka maulawan.

ka klaro ana akong question. lol! duha namo ni Napoleon nga sigeg excuse kay naglisod.

ikaw ra may nanglawgaw kay lahi imong tinubagan.

sige kono ipa ka olaw ko. wa pa gani nimo nabuhat aw o sa di man diay ka motoo og works mao ng mo claim ka by faith nga ma uwawan ko pero wa pa gani nimo nabuhat. buhata sa osa ka mo sulti. thumbs up!

[How'sThat?]

ehem ...You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone(Non-Sola Tantum).-James 2:24(NIV)


So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.-James 2:24(NLT)

You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.-James 2:24(NASB)

[redhorse1L]

ehem ...You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone(Non-Sola Tantum).-James 2:24(NIV)


So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone.-James 2:24(NLT)

You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.-James 2:24(NASB)

Repent! You unbeliever!!
You are blinded by sin!! Unsaved you are! You have no place in heaven!
The Lake of Fire awaits you!!

[NapoleonBlownapart]

Ako lang neh i-base sa example, kay murag lisud kaayo sabton nang liko2x nga tubag:

When a convert (ex. Catholicism to Baptists) decided to receive Jesus as his personal Lord and Savior, he is already saved.
On the day of feast of ressurection, he received baptism. In his heart, he cried out that he rejoiced for his salvation.
He already let go of bad habits, vices and humbly asked forgiveness of the sins he committed.

Weeks passed, he's been an active churchgoer, participated in church activities like outreach programs and other social functions. He was able to do this things because of his genuine faith.. Every Sunday, he cries and shouts in his heart to thank the Lord for he has saved him.

Couple of years passed by, an unfortunate event happened.. His parent got sick and they are troubled financially.
He asked the Lord why all these things happened.. With faith, he prayed and asked the Lord for strength.
He felt good that his church circle are there to comfort and pray for him.

As pressure arises due to debt piling, emotions overpowered him.. Bought out a cigar just to ease his nervousness, and eventually got a bottle just to calm himself.
Day after day, questions are still circling to his mind and with cigar and liquor coming back into his system, anger, frustrations, sink in.. Now he started to skip Sunday services.

He engaged on a quick-money scheme kind of business but end up losing more money, building up frustration and anger.

At this point, he started to ask if God really heard his prayers..
When his parent died, he now asked if there is really a God..

From then on, things are different..



So, now.. is that person still saved?

bro. I'm not God, so please stop asking me questions as if I know what's in a man's heart.

[NapoleonBlownapart]

checkmate!

suit yourself..