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  1. #131

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?


    If you have faith, no need to mention about works because good deeds emanate from your faith. You do good things because you have that strong faith that by doing so, you will be saved. IMO

  2. #132

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    if you have faith and not doing the teaching? thats utter hypocrisy.

  3. #133

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by istoryamember View Post
    If you have faith, no need to mention about works because good deeds emanate from your faith. You do good things because you have that strong faith that by doing so, you will be saved. IMO
    daghan man ang mo confess bai nga naa silay faith. so unsaon man nato pagkabalo ani nga naa silay pagtoo? GOOD WORKS di ba. so skip faith diretso na sa good works. kay kong mo ingon man gud ta og Faith ang sunod question is what about katong mga Buddhist, they don't believe in God or Jesus and its rather cruel to say that these good people will go to hell for not believing in your God.

  4. #134

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by How'sThat? View Post
    like I said Christendom is entirely divided on this point and each division would quote the Apostles as their point of authority. In other words bai your claim can easily be dismiss as Theological Bias rather than taken to be absolute truth.
    Whether it's faith and good works or faith alone, faith is a requirement for salvation on both doctrines. We can then take that faith is a requirement for salvation as truth. That is something Catholics and non-Catholics would agree on. Works without faith is not a Christian belief and I can even say, no offense, it's heretic because it's making the doctrine of Atonement, a core Christian doctrine, a non-sense.

    Your question can easily be answered this way...if there was no sacrifice ang pultahan sa kaluwasan dili ma abli. Jesus was the key but your footsteps are needed.
    Then faith is the first step. How would you enter if you don't even believe?

    my position bai is good works no need for faith. kay bisan na kay pagtoo pero sige gihapon ka og makasala wa gihapon nay polos imong faith. so diretso na sa good works.
    It's a position not founded in the bible.

  5. #135

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by redhorse1L View Post
    ^^ Your answer is not quite clear.. Is it option 1 or option 2?
    Option 2.......

  6. #136

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by whiteKelso View Post
    if you have faith and not doing the teaching? thats utter hypocrisy.
    true and that is not true faith.

  7. #137

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by How'sThat? View Post
    daghan man ang mo confess bai nga naa silay faith. so unsaon man nato pagkabalo ani nga naa silay pagtoo? GOOD WORKS di ba. so skip faith diretso na sa good works. kay kong mo ingon man gud ta og Faith ang sunod question is what about katong mga Buddhist, they don't believe in God or Jesus and its rather cruel to say that these good people will go to hell for not believing in your God.
    It's not a Christian's concern to judge. A Christian's concern is how to reach out to these people.

  8. #138

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Guyz I just read my daily Kerygma gospel. It's all about faith. Maybe this line will hit on this thread.

    "Because the clearest expression of your faith is when you act on what you believe."

  9. #139

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3nZ0y View Post
    How about we extend it to the next verse:



    Does that mean, then that good works is a manifestation of genuine faith? If so does that mean that we are saved by faith AND good works?

    P.S. At the start of the thread, TS shared it is only through 'faith ONLY' or 'faith AND good works' and there is no other option.
    It doesnt mean that way!
    Your genuine faith is wat makes u saved and its bcoz ur now saved then apply verse 10 to manifest that faith.

    The perfect example brad is the theft on the cross.wla na syay time magbuhat pa ug good works coz patay na sya anang adlawa Bbecause God knows d intents of his heart,kasabot ang ginoo nga ang klase sa faith niya moresulta ug buhat nga maayo,at that instance gidawat sya sa ginoo.

    God bless!

  10. #140

    Default Re: Are we saved by faith alone, or do we need works, too?

    @napoleonblownapart

    Oo kay niana gud ka faith + good works = salvation. Unsa man d.i nang good works d d.i na merit? Oo mo uyon ko anang ng way pulos ang pagtuo kun way buhat.
    -Merit naman hinuon ka diha. ang good works dili main requirement lagi , pero mahimo nang gitawag nga living faith kay na justified man sa good work. kung ni uyon ka, so supportaan gyud ng faith ug buhat para naay pulos. ang main requirement is faith dili good work pero wala nag pasabot nga walay buhat nag uban nana daan. automatic diay ng naay buhat nga maayo kadaadlaw, dili nalang gyud diay ka mo backslide kung naay faith sa pag proclaim nimo daan.

    Wa man na giwala sa equation ang buhat kay wa man jud na sya daan.
    -naa nana daan part sa pag proclaim nimo sa God nga naa ka faith can be considered an act or good work. nag uban na ng duha sa pag sulti palang nimo daan nga nituo ka ug pag think palang nimo daan is good work na pero kinahanglan puy-an or i sustain na nimo matag adlaw hangtod sa tibuok natong kinabuhi. wala sad na nag pasabot nga mo buhat kag mga dinagkong butang aron naay merit sa langit. suportaan lang gud nimo ug buhat nga imo gi -promise.

    "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God"
    naa pa d.i lain? di daw gikan sa atong kaugalingon(e.g good works). Nya saon na man imong equation ron?
    -dili lagi, kay ang God man gahatag anang grasya. Pero wala na nag pasabot nga walay buhat, dili nalang ka mo participate sa iyaha gift. wala sad na nag pasabot faith alone. naa kay freedom mo buhat sala ug maayong butang bisan pa nituo ka. kay lagi ni tuo ka sa ginoo, magical na kaayo ang mga butang mo automatic kag ka maayong tawo. kinahanglan ka mo exert ug effort aron mosunod niya ug aron ka maka comply sa imo agreement nga nituo ka niya.


    Cherry picking na hinuon nga bag-o pa lang gani ko nipost ug pagtuo nga way buhat patay. Wa man koy problema sa gisulti ni Santiago. Mao bitaw pud to akong gipunto sa previous nako nga post nga ang pagtuo nga way buhat patay. Ang pangutana diha kun motuo ba ka sa giingon ni Pablo nga grace through faith maluwas ang tao?
    -nituo ko anang duha kay wala man nay conflikto. ang conflikto nga moingon kay FAITH ALONE. kanang verse nga "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith" does it follow nga faith alone? mao ron..

    Asa d.i nimo nakat-onan ang idea nga ang Sola Fide way buhat?
    -nganong ni assume ka ang akong panabot sola fide walay buhat. assumption na part. ang Lutheran nga sola fide naay maayong buhat after sa faith. nga illogical paminawon kay dili sa tanang panahon limpyo ta sa sala. does it follow nga dili ka makasala after ka nituo? what if after ka nitou ni patay kag tawo then namatay ka , wala nakay time pa mag repent.. Can you still claim nga maluwas ka or imong igsoon nga nibuhat ani.

    naa inyo doctrine sa sola fide o.--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_solas

    Sola fide is the teaching that justification (interpreted in Protestant theology as "being declared just by God") is received by faith only, without any mixture of or need for good works, though in classical Protestant theology, saving faith is always evidenced, but not determined, by good works. Some Protestants see this doctrine as being summarized with the formula "Faith yields justification and good works" and as contrasted with the Roman Catholic formula "Faith and good works yield justification."


    si Pablo may gatudlo ana.. di d.i apostoles si Pablo?
    nipasangil nga nigamit ko ug straw man pero ikaw man diay ga violate ana. lagi nitudlo ni pablo anang "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith", nagpasabot bang faith alone or sola fide? asa diha ang faith alone bai? gi tudlo ba ni pablo nga FAITH ALONE?

    You're attacking Sola Fide but apparently you don't know what it REALLY means. You're creating your own definition of Sola Fide then attacked it. Straw man.
    Let me qoute the classical Protestant theology that says Faith yields justification and good works. does it mean nga dili nalang ka makasala after ka nituo? after ka ni commit sin, can you still claim salvation?

    Kung tinod-anay jud nga pagtuo makita jud na sa buhat.
    mao nay sakto nganong dili man apil ang good works nga ingredients sa living faith? so part gyud ng good works pero dili na merit ha, i merit ra ana primarily ang faith. kay ang Ginoo naa sa siyay sukdanan nga dili pareha sa atoa mao bitaw nga buhat is useless lang na sa mata sa ginoo para dili ta manghinambog but it doesnt mean out na sa equation ha. sa layman's term pa ga supporta or ga justify ang good work sa living faith

    Faith ang requirement para maluwas ketllac. Tungod kay naluwas na ang tao mobuhat na sya sa mga butang na ikahimuot sa Dios.
    pirmente diay ka mobuhat ug ikahimoot sa dios sa tibuok nimong kinabuhi? how about tong pastor ug pari nga nang rape.? moingon dayon ta nga ilahang faith dili tinuod or fake in the first place? what a rationalization, just to protect ang doktrina gikan sa protesta. Murag annulment of marriage ba nga i null and void ang promise.hehehehe

    Ang kato imo formula gud sa ako lang pagsabot ato imo mang gihimong requirement ang good works sa salvation which is not a sound biblical doctrine. I'll tell you why not if ma confirm nako na sakto ako pagsabot ato imong formula.
    dili sakto imo pag sabot sa ako formula kay niingon man kag merit. Niingon ko nga nga dili merit. ang faith gyud ang primary. pero kanang faith imo gyud ng buhaton. ang diperensya sa inyo reasoning kay kini; kung naay faith murag tibuok ng kinabuhi dili makasala. dire ang diperensya...
    Last edited by ketllac; 01-03-2012 at 12:56 PM. Reason: sayop

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