Working line gsd

[shamankin6]

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@ron:
no need for apologies sir. im relatively new to this. but i already owned dogs before but its just recently that i wanna take this dog protection seriously. im trying to gather data's around. i believe same here also, the guys before, some of them took it easy also with training and breeding i guess. how was i able to tell. hmmm..good question. well it was just an observation sir. whether hes in hi territory or not, i dont see any reaction from him when he is approach by a stranger or anybody that is new to him, thou they didn't provoke the dog. but unlike my other dog, they seem to react differently including my belgian.i can see some aggressiveness even not provoke, i havent really tested my dog. its just mere observation from me.hes just 7 moths old and he really havent mastered yet the basic obedience.

Ok sir. That's good to know your looking forward or would say going to different level with your dog.

7months old for a working GSD with such bloodline is too early to judge...I would say these kind of dog particularly in this breed. They are late bloomers compare to Malinois. Kaya dapat iba ang approach ng training sa kanila. At magugulat ka kapag sanay ka sa Malinois then you shift to GSD. GSD more often are late maturing breed. They spend time bonding with the pack and enjoying their enviroment. Kaya its too eary to say or judge your dog right away. Often times its in their genes as well..medyo matalagal madeveloped ang protection instinct nila. But if you know how to read their gestures..makikitaan mo na ito at early age of 4 months old or earlier depende sa foundation and stimulation na ginawa mo. Kaya maraming nagkakamali sinusubukan agad nila ang aso at very young age..its either your dog take it or break it! Sayang lang kung masisira ng isang walang alam na trainer ang aso mo at sasabihin panget or nervy ang aso mo. Minsan sinisisi pa nila ang bloodline. Pero ang totoo..ikaw mismo or trainer mismo ang dapat sisihin sa maling foundation na ginawa.

@ron:
how can i test my dog or atleat i can be able to evaluate him? we really havent tried any of those protection you do with our dogs here. maybe in other clubs that were are not affiliated. sir, quick question, in most pics or vids, how come the dog always bite on the non striking hand?i mean they bite the hand where there is no weapon.because of sport purposes or its like that also in real protection?

As I've said there are intial test made to determine kung ang aso mo ay pwede or would be a good candidate for protection of sports. Kasi dito hindi lang kagatan ang pinag uusapan. It includes your dog's nerve and how fast your dog recover after the trauma. Hindi kasi maiwasan na nattrauma ang mga aso natin, pero ang tanong. How fast they go back to normal or worst hindi na...palagi na may takot everytime they encounter same scenarios. Pero meron namang mga instances they can still recover or fix it by means of character recovery training stimulation. This might take a long process..Kaya it needs lots of time and patience.

About your question, kasi yung nakikita mo sa video. It might be a sport protection scenarios. Sadya ang imprinting or the way they train the dog that way. Since the other hand often times with article like guns or stick are used to stress the dog and see how the dog reacted or would say the dog still stand or give a fight with such article used by the decoy. In reality protection, normally kasi kapag ikaw meron kang hawak na pamalo or baril..at a distance makikita mo na yun ng aso. Kapag kakagatin na ng aso yung hawak mo na baril or pamalo, as human normally ginagawa natin iniiwas natin ito. Since that's the only way we can protect ourselves. Malas mo lang kung talagang ipapakagat mo ang kamay mo na meron kang hawak na baril or pamalo. Pero ang tanong kasi natin, kapag pinalo or nabaril mo na ang aso..thus the dog run or still continue giving you a fight? Kahit meron na itong tama ng baril or napalo mo na sa ulo at dumudugo na ang mukha nito kakagat pa rin kaya ang aso mo?

In some other way, meron mga trainer na ganun talaga ang orientation. They teach the dog to attack on the article.

Ron

[sagoy]

shamanking, naa mo website or videos/notes sa pag train sa wgsd? guard dog training, agility, sniffing etc? 2 months pa akong dog hyperactive pa kaayo. She behaves when asked to, but not for long. hehe

[bittel]

@ron: thank you very much for your explanation. it really gave me a better understanding on how this dog protection works. after reading thru some debates on the other threads, thanks to you, im getting alot of picture about the whole point of dog protection. we will continue to study on this, and its very grateful that you shared your expertise and thoughts here. i would share this to derreck, and hope that you may come here again and maybe help us work our way to a dog protection program.

[shamankin6]

shamanking, naa mo website or videos/notes sa pag train sa wgsd? guard dog training, agility, sniffing etc? 2 months pa akong dog hyperactive pa kaayo. She behaves when asked to, but not for long. hehe

I guess it would be best sir if you expose first your dogs in any environmental distractions para meron sya idea the kind of environment surroundings meron sya and same time different people. Since at that age these kind of stimulation are required. Marami kasing issue arise pagdating ng formal training kasi yung aso ay kulang sa exposure before simulan any formal training. Ang nangyayari tuloy mas matagal ang phasing ng training kasi sinasabay ang introduction which should be done in the early stage ng aso. Same time its not best to teach or start any formal training with your puppy. Siguro mag umpisa ka muna in giving foundation with your puppy.

Sorry sir we don't have any website for viewing for now. 'Yung ibang training videos kasi namin for private lang. You can also research it in the internet or youtube.

Ron

[shamankin6]

@ron: thank you very much for your explanation. it really gave me a better understanding on how this dog protection works. after reading thru some debates on the other threads, thanks to you, im getting alot of picture about the whole point of dog protection. we will continue to study on this, and its very grateful that you shared your expertise and thoughts here. i would share this to derreck, and hope that you may come here again and maybe help us work our way to a dog protection program.

Piece of advise..get only those things you think would apply and fit to your kind of training and lifestlye. Kaya nga po ito tinawag na personal protection dog its because they were trained personalized fits you.

Your welcome sir. Anytime..

Ron

[sagoy]

I see. I'll keep on researching. Thanks. I hope I can train with you guys one day. haha I'll keep on working with my Kira for the meantime.

[shamankin6]

I see. I'll keep on researching. Thanks. I hope I can train with you guys one day. haha I'll keep on working with my Kira for the meantime.

Mas maganda po sana if you can discuss your concerns to a trusted trainer para mabigyan kayo ng advice and guidance. You can join others who are into working gsd and comeup with a same training objective.

Kira po pala pangalan ng aso nyo. I have a dog with same name..She is my personal protection dog before. Whom I can really trust my life with her. She is my "cat" in-out the house.

Goodluck with your dog.

[bittel]

Piece of advise..get only those things you think would apply and fit to your kind of training and lifestlye. Kaya nga po ito tinawag na personal protection dog its because they were trained personalized fits you.

Your welcome sir. Anytime..

Ron

noted sir. very good statement "personal" protection indeed. i saw your kira thru pictures, sa pag back track sa mga old tread. that dog was very well trained. how many dogs do you have now sir?are you also on a BARF program?

[sagoy]

sir bittel.. nag BARF napd akong dog ron, chicken necks pa akong ipakaon, gamay pman gud. Unsa man uban options? Wala mai venison, lamb or uban pa dri. hehe

[shamankin6]

noted sir. very good statement "personal" protection indeed. i saw your kira thru pictures, sa pag back track sa mga old tread. that dog was very well trained. how many dogs do you have now sir?are you also on a BARF program?

Kira is my personal protection trained dog. Same time adopted my lifestyle and personality as she matures. She is a very sweet dog and even a small children can handle her and no problem at all. But she can be "switch" into a monster in split of seconds and ready to protect at all cost even her life will put at stake.

Currently, I have 3 Belgian Malinois. I have no more GSD right now. I have a plan in getting a new one. Just waiting for a good specimen. All my working gsd went to my close friends who require personal protection dog and patrol dog for their farms.

BARF? I like BARF but I dont have time preparing them. Not like using good kibble dogfood mabilis lang and sametime more affordable..Dapat kasi kapag nag barf ka meron consistency..make sure na you will be using it with your dogs in a longer period of time. Hindi lang for a month, 3 months or a year? Then babalik ka din sa kibble dogfood. Minsan kasi nagkakaroon ng issue internally with dogs pagdating sa pagbibigay ng BARF and kibble..kaya if you plan on barf. Make sure barf na talaga gagamitin mo. Kasi marami dyan nakakarinig lang about barf yun din agad ginagamit nila. Then later on babalik din sa dogfood. The reason tumataas ang Cronic acid ng aso..minsan kakapagtrigger pa ito ng intestinal cancer sa aso. Kaya its your choice.