MERGED: All About Pacquiao vs. Marquez III

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you cannot question Nacho's personal assesment of the fight in the later rounds knowing the decades of boxing expertise under his belt. he knew the business very well and you cannot blame him for giving Marquez the hint how the game went after 10th round. In the opposite corner Roach was concerned of Manny being behind already so I think both trainers assesment were correct from that point.

I cannot question Bernstein's expertise, because he is one of the best trainers in this age. But it is arguably the move that cost Marquez the fight. Nacho is excellent at shaping his boxers, particularly finding the strength of a boxer and harnessing it and taking away bad habits. He also shaped Marquez's counter-punching, as early in his career he was not that patient. But I can name a couple of instances in which Nacho's moves during a fight put their corner at a disadvantage--which to say is normal because ALL trainers have made mistakes (even the likes of Cus D'mato, Manny Steward and Atlas)

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pacquiao - marquez 3

(champion) manny (attack mode) vs. (challenger) marquez (defensive mode)

compubox



winner pacman

mayweather - castillo 1

(challenger) mayweather (defensive mode) - (champion) castillo (attack mode)

compubox



winner gayweather

therefore i conclude in every close fights the cash cow has 99% chance of winning.. suck compubox unsay gamit sa atong mata and suck the judges nga mga binayran................
kini lang duha ako example sila may hottest love team sa boxing karon...

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pacquiao - marquez 3

(champion) manny (attack mode) vs. (challenger) marquez (defensive mode)

compubox



winner pacman

mayweather - castillo 1

(challenger) mayweather (defensive mode) - (champion) castillo (attack mode)

compubox



winner gayweather

therefore i conclude in every close fights the cash cow has 99% chance of winning.. suck compubox unsay gamit sa atong mata and suck the judges nga mga binayran................
kini lang duha ako example sila may hottest love team sa boxing karon...

Again, a fight that could go either way is not what people in the boxing world a "robbery". A "robbery" is if the match is marginally one-sided and it is given to the corner who was losing. Second, Castillo was deducted a point in the eighth round (which he was losing BTW) for hitting on the break, the round was scored 10-8 Mayweather. Most of those punches came from certain rounds, particularly between 4-7,9,10,11,12 rounds, which Castillo won, but you can only score it 10-8 or less unless there is a knockdown or other deductions. So even though Castillo had the volume of punches in those rounds (4-7 and 9,10,12), the score between them remains 10-9, because Mayweather did not receive deductions. This is different in Pacquiao Marquez because Pacquiao maintained numerical superiority of punches throughout the most of the rounds, so he gets more rounds for the win. Blame it on the scoring system, but that's how it is. In an uneventful round (no knockdowns or other deductions) the score is 10-9, never 10-8, 10-7 etc based on either Ring Generalship/Tempo/aggression/volume.

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Again, a fight that could go either way is not what people in the boxing world a "robbery". A "robbery" is if the match is marginally one-sided and it is given to the corner who was losing. Second, Castillo was deducted a point in the eighth round (which he was losing BTW) for hitting on the break, the round was scored 10-8 Mayweather. Most of those punches came from certain rounds, particularly between 4-7,9,10,11,12 rounds, which Castillo won, but you can only score it 10-8 or less unless there is a knockdown or other deductions. So even though Castillo had the volume of punches in those rounds (4-7 and 9,10,12), the score between them remains 10-9, because Mayweather did not receive deductions. This is different in Pacquiao Marquez because Pacquiao maintained numerical superiority of punches throughout the most of the rounds, so he gets more rounds for the win. Blame it on the scoring system, but that's how it is. In an uneventful round (no knockdowns or other deductions) the score is 10-9, never 10-8, 10-7 etc based on either Ring Generalship/Tempo/aggression/volume.

wrong.... at round 10 mayweather was also deducted for elbowing...


libuga woi ingon basta challenger kinahanglan aggressive gyud...
but sa katong gayweather-castillo klaro kaaung kulating si gayweather pero maoy gipa daug so sa katong awaya walay gamit ang compubox ato?


pero sa kang manny gamit kaau ang compubox nga hastang igo sa bukton kuhit sa hangin or basta maka touch lang sa lawas maihap na as a power punch or jab (landed/thrown)?

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But we can also deduce that Mayweather will have a long night if he was the Mayweather who faced, Judah, Mosley and DLH.

A long night only up to the 12th round because Mayweather is unlikely to knock pac out. All 3 versions of Mayweather soundly defeated all 3 opponents though he did not knock them out since that is not what he is known for. It is not unusual to see Mayweather struggling in the earlier rounds. But what makes him magical in a sense is how he makes adjustments accordingly. I cannot however say the same for Pacquiao.

Pacquiao struggles against accurate and technical punchers. Marquez and prime Morales proved how Manny reacts to being hit which sadly is a tragic sight to see. Sure he gets away with a lot because he is always the faster boxer in the ring. That changes the moment he is with Mayweather who is not only the faster fighter but the bigger and more skilled as well.

how about margarito katong c manny niingon nga "boxing is not killing each other", wer sa fight mismo nakita nato ang actions ni manny nga nalooy saya sa iyang kontra?

.......ahhh si mayweather nga hapit malukapa ni shame oldsley nga nag lisud ni ortiz?

But daog man gihapon diba? You know kadto Mayweather ba nga murag iring gaduwa duwa ug ilaga ni Marquez?

By the way godmenuelz meant sugar ray robinson the GOAT and not the inferior copy sugar ray leonard.

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wrong.... at round 10 mayweather was also deducted for elbowing...


libuga woi ingon basta challenger kinahanglan aggressive gyud...
but sa katong gayweather-castillo klaro kaaung kulating si gayweather pero maoy gipa daug so sa katong awaya walay gamit ang compubox ato?


pero sa kang manny gamit kaau ang compubox nga hastang igo sa bukton kuhit sa hangin or basta maka touch lang sa lawas maihap na as a power punch or jab (landed/thrown)?

Unsa may naka-wrong anah? that's one of the factors. Dako na kaayo nang biya ang 2 points in one round oi. hahaha. Tha's the same factor from the 1st Pacquiao-Marquez fight, and deduction.

Wa siguro ka kasabot sa scoring sah? na-deduct si Mayweather pag round 10 for elbowing, but it was 9-9 since he dominated the round. Even if a fighter is starkly dominant in the rounds he won, the score will be 10-9 unless there are deductions. So Even if kulatado angusaka boxer in one round, maka-tabla gihapon sila sa score the next round even if dili niya kulatahon ang ka-atbang, basta lang sila nagpa-kita nga sila and dominant sa ato nga round. Unsay naka-libog anah bai? Bag-o raka nag sunod ug boxing?

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Unsa may naka-wrong anah? that's one of the factors. Dako na kaayo nang biya ang 2 points in one round oi. hahaha. Tha's the same factor from the 1st Pacquiao-Marquez fight, and deduction.

Wa siguro ka kasabot sa scoring sah? na-deduct si Mayweather pag round 10 for elbowing, but it was 9-9 since he dominated the round. Even if a fighter is starkly dominant in the rounds he won, the score will be 10-9 unless there are deductions. So Even if kulatado angusaka boxer in one round, maka-tabla gihapon sila sa score the next round even if dili niya kulatahon ang ka-atbang, basta lang sila nagpa-kita nga sila and dominant sa ato nga round. Unsay naka-libog anah bai? Bag-o raka nag sunod ug boxing?

ayaw palabig pakamay usa ra ka ka pac fans.. paka sweto pa gyud ka kahibaw ko wala ka kita atong (mayweather -castillo 1) awaya hahahahah.... ikaw wala ka maglibog nganong ganahan kaau si arum ug manny nga naay pac-mar 4? wa ka mag libug nganong daghang miingon nga midaug si marquez atong awaya? wa ka maglibug nganong wala mag ka di mao imong post? di ka mag libug kay every pacquiao fights ra man ka mo watch ug boxing...

previous post nimo oh...

Again, a fight that could go either way is not what people in the boxing world a "robbery". A "robbery" is if the match is marginally one-sided and it is given to the corner who was losing. Second, Castillo was deducted a point in the eighth round (which he was losing BTW) for hitting on the break, the round was scored 10-8 Mayweather. Most of those punches came from certain rounds, particularly between 4-7,9,10,11,12 rounds, which Castillo won, but you can only score it 10-8 or less unless there is a knockdown or other deductions. So even though Castillo had the volume of punches in those rounds (4-7 and 9,10,12), the score between them remains 10-9, because Mayweather did not receive deductions. This is different in Pacquiao Marquez because Pacquiao maintained numerical superiority of punches throughout the most of the rounds, so he gets more rounds for the win. Blame it on the scoring system, but that's how it is. In an uneventful round (no knockdowns or other deductions) the score is 10-9, never 10-8, 10-7 etc based on either Ring Generalship/Tempo/aggression/volume.

sunod klaroha nang source nimo....

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guys vote for hbo survey over facebook about last weeks bout between marquez vs pacquiao. I voted for pacman.
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LOL! Marquez leading 1,240 votes

Marquez jud lagi ang daog. The poll don't lie.

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Kung ang poll lang diay mag determine sa daog, basin naa koy chance kontra ni pacquiao! ka dakong LOL oi!!!