MERGED: All About Pacquiao vs. Marquez III

[thadzonline]

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coz he was leading in the scorecard technically and tried to avoid the risk of being caught with a lucky shot by Manny.

during the fight dili si Pacman ang naka knockout niya, but the three judges, unfairly

Leading in the scorecard? Whose scorecard? Di man na sila makabalo sa scorecards sa judges while they are fighting. And AFAIK, only the 3 official judges hold the official scorecards, the only reference I made to Lederman is because he is trained to be a boxing judge himself. And even the TV crew reiterated that his card was unofficial.

So Marquez(or you) saying that he was leading on the scorecard was a matter of perception and in this case it is the wrong impression that he was dominating Pacquiao in what was a really close bout, with no basis on the official judge's scorecard. Marquez should know that while he did take away Pacquiao's game, he did not dominate him and a lot of the rounds were really close and it was a tactical mistake on his part and his corner to just dance the final few rounds away. In a close contest like that, a boxer has to engage his opponent and show the judges some aggressiveness and make them rethink their scores.

Mao nay kadaot sa mag play safe nga delusional..Maayo unta if klaro nga dominado niya ang fight, pero di man, it was really close.

[Buzz Killington]

just got home.. niagi ko sa eskina ganina, naay daghan nag inom.. i can't believe almost one week na since the fight.. i overheard them still talking about the controversial bout.. daog jud daw kuno si Marquez boxing wise.. klaro daw kau nga naay dagdag bawas.. pasalamat daw sila sa Nike, kay dakog hatag sa judges..

I can't help but giggle on my way home.. maypa sila naa pay idea ang uban tawn hangtod karon blinded pa sa Compubox stats.. hehe

see? drunk Filipinos knows best, now who's to blame?

cool story, bro!

[thadzonline]

same frustration? I don't believe in that, during Mosley fight he's frustrated he even want to get hit by Shane and opened up his defense coz he controlled the fight.

The difference in the Mosley fight was that he dominated that fight clearly and while he can get tagged with some of Mosley's clean shots, he was so dominating in that contest that it hardly mattered.

And the look of frustration on Pacquiao's face and body language is understandable. He did not have his best night, the frustration could be directed to himself. Yet on that bad night, the judges still think he did enough to give him the win.

that fight with Marquez was a different kind of frustration not to mention the fact that he have this sense of urgency, muna sa ginhawang paningkamot maka-igo ni Marquez, he was aware of being behind the scorecard. he didn't play around with JMM like what he did to Mosley.

What this shows is maturity on the part of Pacquiao. Contrary to you saying that he was aware of being behind in the scorecard, I'd rather say he was aware that he could lose the fight and he had to do something about it. It is because of that sense of urgency, that aggressive aura that won him the fight. Suffice to say, it was that sense of urgency that Marquez sorely lacked in his arsenal.

to make the story short, he knew that he's losing the bout and running out of time. but luckily those judges saved his day with a certain pay

Again, a matter of perception. In fact, that statement could be libelous pero hardly threatening kay di man pod to mobasa ang judges ani. I think it is unfair to insinuate payoffs were made without even providing the slightest hint of proof. As I've said, The win could have gone either way. The big difference is that, in my perception, Pacquiao would have taken the loss graciously had Marquez been given the nod. And well, Marquez whined..BOOOO!

[thadzonline]

kay mas nindot man ang performance ni Mayweather against Marquez compared ni Pacquiao

Hardly a logical reason..Dili ang performance vs Marquez ang gi basehan ani oi. Mas bug-at ug weight ang recent fights more than anything. Read up on the criteria, ma google ra man siguro na nimo

[thadzonline]

To be honest, JMM's continued whining about the fight results is diminishing the appetite for a 4th bout with Pacquiao. Kung ni acknowledge unta sya nga the fight was really close that it could have gone either way, mas maglami pa unta.

There's no point doing it a 4th time, let's get it on Pacquiao vs. Mayweather instead.

[Buzz Killington]

Leading in the scorecard? Whose scorecard? Di man na sila makabalo sa scorecards sa judges while they are fighting. And AFAIK, only the 3 official judges hold the official scorecards, the only reference I made to Lederman is because he is trained to be a boxing judge himself. And even the TV crew reiterated that his card was unofficial.

Again, a matter of perception. In fact, that statement could be libelous pero hardly threatening kay di man pod to mobasa ang judges ani. I think it is unfair to insinuate payoffs were made without even providing the slightest hint of proof. As I've said, The win could have gone either way. The big difference is that, in my perception, Pacquiao would have taken the loss graciously had Marquez been given the nod. And well, Marquez whined..BOOOO!

wa ta kahibaw basin didto sya sa MGM that night & had a nice seat right behind the judges.... or was drinking fresh urine with Marquez in his locker...

bitaw joke ra na @koontzcirlcle.... i respected your opinion about the fight coz it was really a close one... but the more you express your butthurt, the funnier it gets!... aside from "selectively quoting" statements or twitter posts from other boxers, nahimu nman hinoon kang conspiracy theorist.... if u could cite proofs of the said judges payoff, basin napay chance motoo kos imung argument..

[g0dmenuelz]

Ronnie Nathanielsz exposed pactards. Explains why pacquiao lost, compubox stats. lol.

Ronnie Nathanielsz explains why Manny Pacquiao lost JMM 3. (CompuBox stats) - YouTube


All of the ringside analyst and writers except for one give it to marquez, some give it a draw.
Lem Satterfield, ******.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez
Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez
Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez
Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113, Marquez
Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, www.15rounds.com: 115-113, Marquez
Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com/CSNBAYAREA.com... 115-113, Marquez
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez
Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez
George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez
Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez
Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114
Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114
Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114
Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114

Unanimously all professional boxers give it to marquez, (Leonard,Hagler-biggest pactards ever lol)
almost all ringside analyst and writers give to marquez, some give it a draw,
Roach stated that they LOST the fight but manny took the last 2 rounds to eeked out a win but
marquez deserves a rematch.. haha

Sa mga morning talk shows sa gma7,abs-cbn naay guest na "boxing expert" daw give it a draw and
some even said pacquiao lost. except sa 1 na grabeha ka pactard ni ana man hinoon na grabe daw ang
distractions ni pacquiao sa marquez fight, politics, family, then naa daw leg cramps and top of all that
na peak ra daw og sayo si pacquiao-overtrained. WTFFF?? hahahaha.


Ronnie Nathanielsz telling it as it is. pacquiao lost........

[thadzonline]

Ronnie Nathanielsz exposed pactards. Explains why pacquiao lost, compubox stats. lol.

Ronnie Nathanielsz explains why Manny Pacquiao lost JMM 3. (CompuBox stats) - YouTube


All of the ringside analyst and writers except for one give it to marquez, some give it a draw.
Lem Satterfield, ******.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez
Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez
Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez
Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113, Marquez
Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez
Norm Frauenheim, Boxing News - 24/7 - MMA News - UFC 115-113, Marquez
Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com/CSNBAYAREA.com... 115-113, Marquez
Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez
Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez
George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez
Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez
Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao
Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114
Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114
Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114
Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114
Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114
Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114
Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114

115-113 and draw scores just goes to show how close that fight was. It could have gone either way. Unfortunately for JMM, 2 of the 3 official judges saw Pacquiao winning.

Unanimously all professional boxers give it to marquez, (Leonard,Hagler-biggest pactards ever lol)
almost all ringside analyst and writers give to marquez, some give it a draw,
Roach stated that they LOST the fight but manny took the last 2 rounds to eeked out a win but
marquez deserves a rematch.. haha

I am hardly surprised by that. I'm sure all these were instant reactions right after the fight. I'd like to hear from them again once they review the tape if they ever do. And the reason for the instant reactions is because of failed expectations more than anything else. They expected Pacquiao to dominate, and he did not. Pacquiao is disappointing that night, Marquez did well BUT was not even close to dominating. It was a close fight, and it was Pacquiao's sense of urgency that won him that fight, JMM did not have the slightest hint of urgency in that fight especially in the later rounds.

Sa mga morning talk shows sa gma7,abs-cbn naay guest na "boxing expert" daw give it a draw and
some even said pacquiao lost. except sa 1 na grabeha ka pactard ni ana man hinoon na grabe daw ang
distractions ni pacquiao sa marquez fight, politics, family, then naa daw leg cramps and top of all that
na peak ra daw og sayo si pacquiao-overtrained. WTFFF?? hahahaha.
Ronnie Nathanielsz telling it as it is. pacquiao lost........

To be honest I'd care more about the opinions of trained boxing judges more than anyone else's because they are the best people to ask how to score a fight and they can dissect that fight for themselves. I hope they come out

[thadzonline]

Ronnie Nathanielsz explains why Manny Pacquiao lost JMM 3. (CompuBox stats) - YouTube

To say that JMM won by 1 or 2 points just goes to show he also admits that it was a close fight.

"Cramps, his timing was off, his balance was off, you put those 3 together, how did he win?"
Silly question, all those 3 don't make boxing...lots of other reasons to offset those 3 things, sense of urgency, aggressiveness, etc etc etc..

Punch percentages from compubox showed JMM was more accurate, but what use is accuracy when Pacquiao threw a lot more punches. Heck, one could hit all his 100 punches in a fight ang be 100% accurate but he'll never win against a fighter who threw 400 and hit only 200 for 50% accuracy.

Daghan man kaayo flaws sa logic ni Nathanielsz.

[g0dmenuelz]

Im really interested in your logic. You more interested in the opinion of the
Trained boxing judges because they ARE THE BEST of dissecting the fight.
Go watch Willaims-Lara, Evander-Lewis, Whitaker vs Chavez and Mallinagi vs Diaz or if you have already seen it and tell me who won in all those fights.
All professional judges with almost 10-30 years in judging fights. although its another story but i really wanna hear your opinions on those fights. really........... i just want to know if your legit or not lol.


The compubox really is very inaccurate, everybody knows that. Boxing is not about replay in slow mo- compubox no. What the fans saw ana na jud na, you can't go back to your pc and watch the fight in slow mo or present the compubox no. as evidence because that's laughable, they saw what everybody else saw, the professional boxers, writers, analyst, media and fans have pacquiao losing even the filipinos in the Venue have it for marquez lmao.... except for pactards and some filipino media (who only watch pacquiao fights).

boxing is 50%sport and 50%business.