MERGED: Gay Marriage in the Philippines

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lisod na mga tao sa kalibutan karon

[irishe]

ahayyyyy... what's happenin' with the world momma.. tsktsk.. i won't wonder tapuson jud ang taw sa Ginoo..

[nealotol]

kuyawa ani gud... delikado ni..

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

You're analogy is misleading. What boundaries have they crossed? As I've said, they are not compelling you or any other Christian to recognize their partnership. They are conducting their ceremony within the confines of their own church's private property and they seek no ties or connection to your religion or any others. And they certainly are not touching your privates!

You took my example literally thats why you are misled .

Still they are excercising rituals reserved only for the practice of the church intended for a MAN and a WOMAN . Do you really think , ang ilahang program ana is something made by an ATHEIST that excludes the BLESSING of GOD ? Like I said , they are Christians .

And no it is not ridiculous to compare it to the Muslim practice of polygamy. The fact that that particular church calls itself Christian doesn't give other Christian denominations the right to tell it what and what not to practice as so much as they don't have the right to tell what Muslims and Hindus what and what not to believe. INC members don't believe that Jesus Christ is a god, yet no one no one in mainstream Christianity is accusing them of violating the sanctity of their own respective religions.

Wrong . Under one roof of Christianity shares the same moral upkeeps . We are talking about morals and values . That is reciprocal .

As for Taboos, they are relative and subjective. What may be taboo for conservatives like you may be completely acceptable for liberals like me. And is there an EXPLICIT mention in the Decalogue that forbids same-*** marriage? And please don't tell me that it is implied in the text because that is highly debatable.

Yes , HOMOSEXUALITY . You know what is a DECALOGUE so you should know deeper than that . In RC , that is a violation of HONOR YOUR FATHER and MOTHER , the 4th COMMANDMENT . When two beings unite , it is intended for the MAN and a WOMAN and these were clearly said because a MAN and a MAN or a WOMAN and a WOMAN cant bear a son .

Ga tuo ka ang 4th commandment is only about respecting your parents , dili mamakak nila , dili mo singhag nila etc ? There is more to that .

You say you respect same-*** couples, then why not let them practice their belief? They're not harming you, they're not even asking you to believe in what they believe. They're not using your taxes to fund their weddings. They're not conducting their ceremony inside your church or even in public property. They're not even asking you LIKE what they believe. All they want is for you to leave them be. Heck, you're even free to CONDEMN their beliefs as much as you like, freedom of expression is part of democracy after all. The only consolation they have is that the law wont recognize your CONDEMNATION just as it won't recognize their marriage.

I respect GAY and LESBIANS as beings , that should be more profound now . I dont respect their HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITIES . I am not condemning them , it is the norm of the society that dictates that . Have you been to San Francisco ? There is a reason why it is called the GAY AREA ( BAY AREA ) . There are lots of GAY living there , that is respected and even supported . They have the same equal rights sa mga straight from voting , employment , activities , etc but the moment naay issue about HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITIES in public , a guaranteed outburst would occur . This is not even about SEATTLE pa where it is labeled as the place in the whole world as a place with the most homsexuals per capita .

Indeed , it sounds discriminating also but man ... since when man ang HOMOSEXUALITY nahimong sakto lage ?

Ikaw do you respect them all the way like that ? Please dont say YES because I know its a NO .

And just because the Philippines has a Christian majority, it doesn't give Christians the right to dictate what is moral or what is not, even Christians cannot agree among themselves in that issue. The Philippines is not a theocracy. And the tyranny of the majority should not become state policy. I personally don't believe in the bible or any other religious text for that matter, would that make me immoral?

Beliefs and actions are 2 totally different areas of responsibilities . Considering you are GAY , when you imagine me as a handsome person you have a crush with ... thats fine with me ... flattered pa ko but the moment you fantasized me having s3x with you , now isnt that a total different story ? Did you forget about limitations ? MORALITY is not dictated by the CHURCH mind you , it is dictated by the CONSCIENCE on what is right and what is wrong . Since when nasakto ang pagka bayot ug pagka tomboy ? It was never like that but because its like that , the least we can do is accept them , respect them and protect them .

I respect couples, hetero or otherwise, so long as they follow the law ug dili mamerwesyo ug dili manakit sa ubang tao. I care not what they do they in the privacy of their churches or in their bedroom, so long as they're not hurting of forcing each other pud.

That is what it is supposed to be because abi kay ang uban straight makes them more superior than the homosexuals . That is wrong also . If makita nimo ang pattern , the church ( gays who are about to conduct the sacrament of marriage for same *** ) are composed mostly of homosexuals also . They are trying to make a loophole to the law but will never be able to pass through morality .

[d`monyita]

@fafi --- c'mon preach it brotha! hihihihihi.

hay naku ning MCC..... have a very good friend who happens to think he is gay.... told him i loved him like a brother and respected our friendship but will NEVER tolerate his homosexuality and that i will always be in prayer for him. he is a member of that church. in turn...he respects me enough to know that i will always tell him to change his ways and especially respect me enough to NOT introduce me to his boylets. hehehe

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[masakiton]

1 + 1 = 0 (biological anak)

[noel_llapa]

You took my example literally thats why you are misled .

Enlighten me then how I should have interpreted your post. As I far as I understood it you were saying that just as a gay friend would cross the line by reaching for your pants, gay couples are crossing the boundaries by solemnizing their relationships among themselves, even if these couples hasn't done anything to you or to your religion.

Still they are excercising rituals reserved only for the practice of the church intended for a MAN and a WOMAN . Do you really think , ang ilahang program ana is something made by an ATHEIST that excludes the BLESSING of GOD ? Like I said , they are Christians .

Reserved? You seem to be claiming that only your brand of Christianity has the right to such practices. Did the anti-same-*** faction of Christianity copyrighted these rituals? They're Christians alright, but they're not YOUR Christians.Admit man gani kay na ang mga christians mismo dili magka-sinabot kung unsay sakto na interpretation sa Bible. Heck, ang INC mismo dili mutuo ang Diyos si Christ!

Wrong . Under one roof of Christianity shares the same moral upkeeps . We are talking about morals and values . That is reciprocal .

Wrong. YOU think that Christianity share the same moral imperatives. The fact na dozens of christian denominations accept homosexual marriages negates your contention.

Yes , HOMOSEXUALITY . You know what is a DECALOGUE so you should know deeper than that . In RC , that is a violation of HONOR YOUR FATHER and MOTHER , the 4th COMMANDMENT . When two beings unite , it is intended for the MAN and a WOMAN and these were clearly said because a MAN and a MAN or a WOMAN and a WOMAN cant bear a son .

Ga tuo ka ang 4th commandment is only about respecting your parents , dili mamakak nila , dili mo singhag nila etc ? There is more to that .

Who told you na there's more to the fourth commandment than respecting your parents? That's YOUR interpretation. I've asked for an EXPLICIT mention of a ban against homosexuality, not an interpreted or implied one.

I respect GAY and LESBIANS as beings , that should be more profound now . I dont respect their HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITIES . I am not condemning them , it is the norm of the society that dictates that . Have you been to San Francisco ? There is a reason why it is called the GAY AREA ( BAY AREA ) . There are lots of GAY living there , that is respected and even supported . They have the same equal rights sa mga straight from voting , employment , activities , etc but the moment naay issue about HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITIES in public , a guaranteed outburst would occur . This is not even about SEATTLE pa where it is labeled as the place in the whole world as a place with the most homsexuals per capita .

What homosexual activities in public? what exactly do you mean by that? As far as I know magkagubot ra ni sila if the same-*** faction would require the state to LEGALIZE gay marriage, and by LEGALIZE, i mean give them the CIVIL privileges that heterosexual married couples enjoy. This is not the case in Baguio. As i've said, the are not requiring YOu, other Christian denominations, and certainly not the state to recognize their ceremony. They do not ask to for tax exemptions afforded to married couples. They do not ask the local civil registrar to record them as spouses. And they are not doing this in Public, they're doing this within the confines of their own private church, not in the streets, not in the plaza, not in your church!

Indeed , it sounds discriminating also but man ... since when man ang HOMOSEXUALITY nahimong sakto lage ?

Since when man nahimog sayop?

Ikaw do you respect them all the way like that ? Please dont say YES because I know its a NO .

What do you exactly mean by this? Do I respect their right to have *** and live with each other as couples? Hell yes. As I've said, I don't really care what they do with their personal/sexual/love life, so long as dili sila makaperwesyo, dili makasakit ug laing tao, and so long as they remain productive and law-abiding citizens of our nation.

Beliefs and actions are 2 totally different areas of responsibilities . Considering you are GAY , when you imagine me as a handsome person you have a crush with ... thats fine with me ... flattered pa ko but the moment you fantasized me having s3x with you , now isnt that a total different story ? Did you forget about limitations ? MORALITY is not dictated by the CHURCH mind you , it is dictated by the CONSCIENCE on what is right and what is wrong . Since when nasakto ang pagka bayot ug pagka tomboy ? It was never like that but because its like that , the least we can do is accept them , respect them and protect them .

Sorry, I sincerely don't see how this response has any relation to the part of my post you have quoted. What's your point here exactly? Mahadlok ka na i-harass ka sa bayot? Well, if a gay man fantasizes about me sexually, sagdi na sya. I can't control his thoughts. He's free to think whatever he wants. But if he touches me inappropriately without my consent, then I'll charge him for acts of lasciviousness. He's wrong NOT because he was touching another man, he's wrong because he was touching another man WITHOUT PERMISSION from said man. Since when nasayop ang pagkabayot og pagkatomboy? Conscience? Well, my conscience tells me there's nothing wrong with homosexual practice. And I think the consciences of those people sa MMC are telling them what they're doing is NOT wrong.

That is what it is supposed to be because abi kay ang uban straight makes them more superior than the homosexuals . That is wrong also . If makita nimo ang pattern , the church ( gays who are about to conduct the sacrament of marriage for same *** ) are composed mostly of homosexuals also . They are trying to make a loophole to the law but will never be able to pass through morality .

These priests have their own brand of Christianity, they are not under the catholic church or any other sect. They can do make their own moral codes and practices. Loopholes? Law? Who's law? Your brand of christianity's law? And why would they bother to make loopholes of YOUR laws when they can make their own laws? So long as their law doesn't promote harm to other human beings, so long as their law doesn't conflict with the state's legislation, I have no problem about their laws.

[d.a.m.a.s.o.]

I would not be amazed if you are another Christian of a different denomination . Heck even INC and ADD cant even get along because of their own interpretations of the bible so do me a favor , please dont talk about DOCTRINES because if you cant accept mine , much more than me realizing how rotten your doctrines are if you dig .

Lastly ... whats with the statements youve got ? Its very contradicting . I do hope you are aware of it . I do hope also that you know what is a REVEREND .

lol, am i questioning you personally? did i say i cannot accept the doctrines that you believe in? and what about INC's and ADD doctrines?

and why are you stopping me from talking about doctrines? isn't marriage a Christian
doctrine?
and again my point is - same-*** marriage is immoral.

my comment about the word "reverend" is trivial, so don't dig.

[diatabz]

Is the MCC breaking the law? Don't think so. Moving on. I couldn't care less if they had a man marry a rock. That's their right.

[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

Enlighten me then how I should have interpreted your post. As I far as I understood it you were saying that just as a gay friend would cross the line by reaching for your pants, gay couples are crossing the boundaries by solemnizing their relationships among themselves, even if these couples hasn't done anything to you or to your religion.

That the union of these couples are bound by LUST and not LOVE . Cmon .. you should know betetr than that . They are not violating anything to me nor my religion but by using the sacrament as a tool for their existence , sobra na .

To start , being GAY is wrong . In some cases , daghan factors why people become HOMOSEXUALS , gi tolerate na gani na and mo abot na sila sa level na mag inyo pod sila ? Why not just live in together lang ? Dili ingon ana kasayon oi ... if they really think its that simple , why not get married first in the FAMILY COURT attended by a JUDGE ? Kung naay makasal sa korte na same s3x couple , then I would be willing to support them all the way sa church wedding .

Reserved? You seem to be claiming that only your brand of Christianity has the right to such practices. Did the anti-same-*** faction of Christianity copyrighted these rituals? They're Christians alright, but they're not YOUR Christians.Admit man gani kay na ang mga christians mismo dili magka-sinabot kung unsay sakto na interpretation sa Bible. Heck, ang INC mismo dili mutuo ang Diyos si Christ!

Why dont you read in between the lines . MARRIAGE is RESERVED as a practice of the church intended for a MAN and a WOMAN and not for ADAM and STEVE . Its not only for the ROMAN CATHOLICS if thats what you are trying to imply .

Wrong. YOU think that Christianity share the same moral imperatives. The fact na dozens of christian denominations accept homosexual marriages negates your contention.

If there is one CHRISTIAN DENOMINATION you can name , I would like to know kinsa ni sila and if ever there is one you can name , they are not Christians but probably cults who who are wannabe Christians . The word CHRISTIAN alone explains it , you are a follower of Christ and no matter ila ka bible versions you read and interpret , not one instance that HOMOSEXUALITY was accepted in the HOLY BIBLE teachings .

Who told you na there's more to the fourth commandment than respecting your parents? That's YOUR interpretation. I've asked for an EXPLICIT mention of a ban against homosexuality, not an interpreted or implied one.

Of course you are asking the exact wordings THOU SHALL NOT BECOME A HOMOSEXUAL . That is a given because you will never find one . Ask anyone who knows about Theology and you will see and know whats in the commandments for you . Its way more deeper than you thought of . Thats not my INTERPRETATION either as what you speculated , its the CHURCH ( Roman Catholic ) and most of all , if someone says it is wrong , then I can safely that definitely the average joe to include you are probably smarter than these CANON LAWYERS .

What homosexual activities in public? what exactly do you mean by that? As far as I know magkagubot ra ni sila if the same-*** faction would require the state to LEGALIZE gay marriage, and by LEGALIZE, i mean give them the CIVIL privileges that heterosexual married couples enjoy. This is not the case in Baguio. As i've said, the are not requiring YOu, other Christian denominations, and certainly not the state to recognize their ceremony. They do not ask to for tax exemptions afforded to married couples. They do not ask the local civil registrar to record them as spouses. And they are not doing this in Public, they're doing this within the confines of their own private church, not in the streets, not in the plaza, not in your church!

What homosexuals activities ? It is a step to indeed LEGALIZE it ! You nailed it right , the moment ok na ang simbahan , dali na nila ma convince ang gobyerno because the church has a very big influence to it , PIlipina sgud ni .

Like I said , ngano di man sila sa korte magpakasal lage ?

Since when man nahimog sayop?

Dont answer it with another question . SINCE WHEN ANG HOMOSEXUALITY NAHIMONG SAKTO ? Answer that .

What do you exactly mean by this? Do I respect their right to have *** and live with each other as couples? Hell yes. As I've said, I don't really care what they do with their personal/sexual/love life, so long as dili sila makaperwesyo, dili makasakit ug laing tao, and so long as they remain productive and law-abiding citizens of our nation.

Not in the case of the people who knew about this . Ang activities sa mga HOMOSEXUALS karon is even condemn , how much more na gi recognized na sila na as OFFICIAL COUPLES ?

Again ... its about MORALITY . Sa mata sa mga Kristyanos , to other fellow Christians .... *** is a GIFT from GOD to the MAN and WOMAN , HUSBAND and WIFE .

Kung ikaw dili Kristyano , then I would understand you . I have relatives who are HOMOEXUALS ... both GAYS and LESBIANS . I protect them from ridicule , discrimination , insults etc but the moment I find out of their activities like magdala ug same *** dates sa balay or makit-an nako ... then its a different story . They are the ones making themselves as outcast and no the society .

Sorry, I sincerely don't see how this response has any relation to the part of my post you have quoted. What's your point here exactly? Mahadlok ka na i-harass ka sa bayot? Well, if a gay man fantasizes about me sexually, sagdi na sya. I can't control his thoughts. He's free to think whatever he wants. But if he touches me inappropriately without my consent, then I'll charge him for acts of lasciviousness. He's wrong NOT because he was touching another man, he's wrong because he was touching another man WITHOUT PERMISSION from said man. Since when nasayop ang pagkabayot og pagkatomboy? Conscience? Well, my conscience tells me there's nothing wrong with homosexual practice. And I think the consciences of those people sa MMC are telling them what they're doing is NOT wrong.

Indeed you wont be in the same page because you took it literally . Digest the comparison heartily and you will be able to see the things I am trying to point out .

On your post , I pointed out that BELIEFS and ACTIONS are 2 different entities . You said this " I personally don't believe in the bible or any other religious text for that matter, would that make me immoral" and that response is for your statement . No it wont make you IMMORAL because thats a belief but the moment your actions speaks for it , IMMORAL na siya .

These priests have their own brand of Christianity, they are not under the catholic church or any other sect. They can do make their own moral codes and practices. Loopholes? Law? Who's law? Your brand of christianity's law? And why would they bother to make loopholes of YOUR laws when they can make their own laws? So long as their law doesn't promote harm to other human beings, so long as their law doesn't conflict with the state's legislation, I have no problem about their laws.

These PRIEST have their own brand of Christianity ? You must be joking , basin KULTO na sila and using CHRISTIANITY and calls themselves CHRISTIANS for their own cause . Why do you think a DENOMINATION was formed composed of GAYS and LESBIANS ? What are their goals in life ? They can still be GAYS and LESBIANS and at the same time pwede sila ma KATOLIKO , ADD , INC , BAPTIST , LATTER DAY SAINTS , PROTESTANTS etc . Why start a new one ? Because of HIDDEN AGENDS and same *** marriage is a part of that purpose .

Anyways .... I request you na before answering and explaining the quotes , are you a CHRISTIAN ? Kay honestly , if you are not then magdaog na ta . If you are a CHRISTIAN , naay dakong problema gyud hehehe .

DAMASO ....

lol, am i questioning you personally? did i say i cannot accept the doctrines that you believe in? and what about INC's and ADD doctrines?

and why are you stopping me from talking about doctrines? isn't marriage a Christian
doctrine?
and again my point is - same-*** marriage is immoral.

my comment about the word "reverend" is trivial, so don't dig.

Am I quoting you personally ? I pointed out how CONTADICTING you are . This is what you posted :

Mga nagpapakilalang "Reverend" pero simpleng doctine sa bible hindi alam.
Imoral ang magkasal ng parehong lalake or parehong babae.
It will only promote SODOMY.
Kailangan pa bang ime-morize yan?

Trivia:
The word REVEREND was mentioned only once in the bible.

Sadyang makakapal lang ang pagmumukha ng mga paring katoliko para ikapit sa kanila ang salitang "REVEREND".

Your first statement was referring to the REVEREND of the denomination based in Baguio . The last statement was based on the RC " REVEREND " .

Yes kailngan i memorize yan because if you dont know what REVEREND means , you will end up promoting something .

I really want to dig , because its funny when people resort to TRIVIA , and they dont even know what it is .