Tallo leaves Ateneo: Right or Wrong Move?

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Sam, kung gusto niya makasulod sa DLSU, he has to hurry and finalize it. From what I know, last day to submit final line up for the UAAP tournament is tomorrow, June 24.

"UAAP president Ricky Palou of Ateneo said that all teams are required to submit their respective rosters on or before June 24. The lineups will then be reviewed by the eligibility committee led by chairman Lailani Gonzales of University of the Philippines."

UAAP to review eligibility criteria of NU's Parks, Ateneo's Slaughter - Sports - GMA News Online - Latest Philippine News

Did he take the DLSU entrance quiz? When did enrollment start/end for this school year in DLSU's trimester?

I honestly think MacMac individual skills would be showcased in the run and gun-pressure style guard oriented system more than in the system/defensive orientation of Ateneo.

He does want to be showcased right?

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Sam, kung gusto niya makasulod sa DLSU, he has to hurry and finalize it. From what I know, last day to submit final line up for the UAAP tournament is tomorrow, June 24.

"UAAP president Ricky Palou of Ateneo said that all teams are required to submit their respective rosters on or before June 24. The lineups will then be reviewed by the eligibility committee led by chairman Lailani Gonzales of University of the Philippines."

UAAP to review eligibility criteria of NU's Parks, Ateneo's Slaughter - Sports - GMA News Online - Latest Philippine News

Tallo in DLSU, he won't make for the UAAP. Trimester ang LA Salle and 1st sem was started last May 26. But he will be in PCCL. I think he will be in La Salle....

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Sam, kung gusto niya makasulod sa DLSU, he has to hurry and finalize it. From what I know, last day to submit final line up for the UAAP tournament is tomorrow, June 24.

"UAAP president Ricky Palou of Ateneo said that all teams are required to submit their respective rosters on or before June 24. The lineups will then be reviewed by the eligibility committee led by chairman Lailani Gonzales of University of the Philippines."

UAAP to review eligibility criteria of NU's Parks, Ateneo's Slaughter - Sports - GMA News Online - Latest Philippine News

It's going to be La Salle! That's also what the boy wanted. Right or wrong, only time can tell. All our opinions will remain as opinions. It is always only at hindsight where everyone becomes a genius in our opinions. But as of now, let's just hope things go well for this nice and wonderful boy from Cebu.

PS. I admire the dispositions of Jumperman.

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ari nlang na xa sa FEU Florencio E. Urot.. gamit kay na xa dd2..dli na ma bangko ky xa ra usa magduwa..hehhehe...jowk..palamig sa mga bro...

[Jumperman]

It's going to be La Salle! That's also what the boy wanted. Right or wrong, only time can tell. All our opinions will remain as opinions. It is always only at hindsight where everyone becomes a genius in our opinions. But as of now, let's just hope things go well for this nice and wonderful boy from Cebu.

PS. I admire the dispositions of Jumperman.

Coming from you sir, that's a big compliment. Thanks!

Not second-guessing this info, but if Mark Jayven has indeed "seen the light" (or left it), at least it only affirms the fact that he did not leave Loyola because of Henry Sy's money.

DLSU's rotation is also guard-heavy but given a little more seasoning Mark Jayven will easily be better than Almond Vosotros and Sara. Revilla should get to keep his starting PG spot though.

I hope he keeps himself busy getting better while waiting. Tallo won't make the Green Archers instant contenders by himself, but the "defection" will definitely make for more drama. And if this is really true, Ateneo-La Salle matches will have a little more fuel tossed to the fire next year, something that will add a little genuine contempt to the seemingly softening rivalry: Ravena vs Tallo!!! Enough said!!!

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People want Tallo to succeed (so do I). However it seems noone cares about his person. People just want him to be a superstar. Forget about things like developing character or being a good person.

I have talked to many HS athletes and I tell them the same thing on ADMU vs DLSU. If you are 100% turning pro in any sport, basketball and golf in particular, go to DLSU. They have a better "support system" for their athletes. They have blocks/sections that are all athletes. Just connect the dots as to what happens there. In Ateneo you are a normal student when you are not on the court. You will be sent tutors to help you but you take the same classes (with the same allowed absences) and the same tests. In short you will be working on and off the court. If you think you can't hack that then go the easier route. The "great" Danny Francisco was my classmate for a sem and he was taking 19 units. He had to drop one subject because he was accumulating "cuts"/absences and was going to get a W="F".

Back to Macmac and his choice. If MacMac does go to DLSU what does it say about him as a person. Going AWOL on guys who took care of him, then going to their chief rivals? Noone cares about that I guess. They just want him to post 15/6 games day in day out and they will be happy.

I mentioned the DLSU system fits Tallo to a T. He will flourish there plus if he signs the "management contract" (that has made several DLSU players leave this year) he is guaranteed PT. No need o be patient, just sign the dotted line.

Ravena vs Tallo will look good.

[Jumperman]

People want Tallo to succeed (so do I). However it seems noone cares about his person. People just want him to be a superstar. Forget about things like developing character or being a good person.

I have talked to many HS athletes and I tell them the same thing on ADMU vs DLSU. If you are 100% turning pro in any sport, basketball and golf in particular, go to DLSU. They have a better "support system" for their athletes. They have blocks/sections that are all athletes. Just connect the dots as to what happens there. In Ateneo you are a normal student when you are not on the court. You will be sent tutors to help you but you take the same classes (with the same allowed absences) and the same tests. In short you will be working on and off the court. If you think you can't hack that then go the easier route. The "great" Danny Francisco was my classmate for a sem and he was taking 19 units. He had to drop one subject because he was accumulating "cuts"/absences and was going to get a W="F".

Back to Macmac and his choice. If MacMac does go to DLSU what does it say about him as a person. Going AWOL on guys who took care of him, then going to their chief rivals? Noone cares about that I guess. They just want him to post 15/6 games day in day out and they will be happy.

I mentioned the DLSU system fits Tallo to a T. He will flourish there plus if he signs the "management contract" (that has made several DLSU players leave this year) he is guaranteed PT. No need o be patient, just sign the dotted line.

Ravena vs Tallo will look good.

With all due respect sir, while it seems you're still feeling a little raw about Tallo leaving, there's really no need for any character assassination or insinuating what kind of person he is. Whichever way he goes, he loses.

-If he went to NU, people would say he was lured by the money/that the Tallos are "mukhang-pera"

-If this DLSU news is accurate, he's an ingrate who milked Ateneo and trained with them only to transfer and end up playing for the reviled Green Side of the fence

-If he chose to play for a Cebu school, he's a "big fish in a small pond/faces no real stiff competition"

-If he didn't leave, he'd be stuck on the bench for years because he's not ready/he's a prima donna who wants instant fame and stardom for asking for PT

-If he went to a school with a "lousy basketball program", the losses will pile up throughout his college career/he won't be known as a winner

Tallo left on a sour note, that's that. The Tallos are only looking out for their kid. If he really is a bad person (which doesn't seem like it), it's not our business anymore. We Cebuanos just want to see one of us succeed just like Dondon. Daghan na kaayog recruit nga gikan sa Cebu nga wala gyud ni-sikat kay pirmi ra i-bangko. Kita na ta anang salidaha sauna, ang title kay "Bangko lang sa ka karon kay di pa ka ready, mu-abot ra lagi imong panahon". Naa gyuy chance si Tallo mu-asenso mao nang ganahan ta maka-kita nga maka-duwa gyud siya ug di ma-parehas sa uban maayo gikan Cebu nga ma-sayang ra.

Also, I dissent with the opinion/implication that La Salle is more of a basketball/athlete factory than a school. DLSU is a pretty good school too. DLSU has shown that they've learned from the 2004 fiasco, they've tightened the reins and the change was felt throughout the entire university, not just by the athletes. I almost was not allowed to enroll because some documents were not yet forwarded by my former school (which happens to be ADMU) 3 years since I've left. If all they really cared about was basketball, they wouldn't have let Arvie Bringas walk. True, naa sad gyud sila mga anomalies/controversies but every school has at least some. Si Ryan Buenafe, pila na man ka years sa Ateneo, wa man lagi nila na-"mold" or "develop into a good person", nang-rape man lagi (allegedly)? Maayo lang siguro mu-hipos ug baho ang uban schools.

Sometimes, we put too much premium on a school. I hate that we have to brand people according to which school they attended because while the school is truly a big help, it's also really up to the person how he wants his life to turn out and shape up. It's not fair to say that Mark Jayven will not turn out to be a good person because he chose to go to La Salle. Paita sad. Unsaon na man lang ang mga tao nga di maka-afford sa Ateneo, dili sila mu-asenso or turn out to be good persons?

(I mean no offense. If they turn out to sound rather heavy-handed I apologize. I am not imposing my beliefs on anyone, it's just my opinion based on what I've seen and gone through.)

Bottom line, wherever he goes, let's just wish Tallo well and hope he banners the Cebu colors well.

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I never mentioned NU as mukhang pera. I mentioned NU as needing a blue chip rookie is RayRay parks does not get the go signal to play. They may make an offer-scholarship, spend on training, etc

What does it look like if he goes to DLSU? It is a fact that he trained under Ateneo resources, it is a fact that the chief rival of ADMU is DLSU. It may not be planned but if the DLSU scenario does happen it is what it is. His training was handled by ADMU, then he plays for DLSU.


The playing in Cebu school= big fish in a small pond. Can you honestly tell me that is not the situation? The best of the best at his level are in Manila. He has/had the opportunity to go. Greg did that to be trained by what he thinks is the best big man coach in the Philippines right now (Coach Norman also helps the Gilas big men). If you look at his past games you would be surprised how far he has developed in 1 year.

Yes chances are he would be stuck on the bench. There are proven players in front of him. Sometimes you have to work to get what you want. Not everything will be handed to you. Look at Monfort. From someone who noone even took a second look, now a vital par of the team. Hard work is a virtue that needs o be developed. Basketball at all levels is littered with stories of players who were superstars at the previous level but were nothing on the next because they didn't work at it.

He may not be a bad person but a person's character is shown by the decisions he makes. In my opinion if he does make those moves it reflects lack of character. You don't see anything wrong with going AWOL? or if he does go to DLSU. Let's put it in a different scenario. In business if a manger who just got IT training in let's say Japan, of the company I work for just leaves without turning over his work it would be terribly irresponsible. He would never be accepted back. If he turns up in the rival company you bet he would make a lot of people suspect his character. Like I mentioned it may not be important to some or the Tallos.

As for the bias against Cebuanos. Don't you think you are generalizing? It could be a language barrier, it could be a style of play barrier (I still think hat is the case in the Macmac story. Coach Norman runs but does not run and gun.). How many Cebuanos get sent to Manila compared to how many players total get to Manila. You are competing again against the best of the best. Just because you are a superstar in Cebu does not mean you are among the elite in the Philippines.

You have your opinion about DLSU's academics I have mine. My cousin hung out with athletes in Translation Management (or is it Management Translation) because he was the team manger of one of the smaller varsity teams. I know some of the DLSU golf team (same course) because I am part of the golf industry. You cannot even compare what they go through to what Oping Sumalinog does to pass and get his 3.+ QPI. Bringas by all accounts did not even go to campus except to go to practice. I never said that DLSU was NEVER concerned about academics. I just said that if you wanted to turn pro at something the DLSU system was more accommodating (than the Ateneo system) if you wanted a degree (Translation Management) from a prestigious school and get continuous exposure and training in your sport

Maybe you experience is/was different. Those are mine.


There are many stories regarding Buenafe's case. Some say the girl and ADCjr were long separated, some say the girl was a stalker, some say nag-sapakay sila Buenafe and ADCjr. Some say ADCjr left the school because of Academics-others the case. Based on Ateneo reports (and the Trillo statement from 2 weeks ago) Buenafe is currently off the team until he gets that portion of his life in order-"handles his case" I think were the exact words. Meaning the Team is concerned about the person of Buenafe, not just his playing time. They of course want his talent on the team but what good what that be to them is the player's personal life is not in order. Putting him on the team (in the FilOil) would have contributed o the team but would have taken extra toil on his personal life with the case.

Whatever the real facts are I will be happy to discuss them when facts do come out.

Yes I am putting a premium on the school because I am from that school. That school also taught me to put a premium on other things that I now consider more important in life. Being a good person, utang na loob, showing care and respect. That is why I am also concerned with how the Tallo's decisions and the way they are being executed will affect his person not just his career.

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I never mentioned NU as mukhang pera. I mentioned NU as needing a blue chip rookie is RayRay parks does not get the go signal to play. They may make an offer-scholarship, spend on training, etc

What does it look like if he goes to DLSU? It is a fact that he trained under Ateneo resources, it is a fact that the chief rival of ADMU is DLSU. It may not be planned but if the DLSU scenario does happen it is what it is. His training was handled by ADMU, then he plays for DLSU.

What I was trying to say was that there's no need to rub it in, because wherever he goes dirt WILL BE dug up against him. I didn't say you said all those things, those are the sentiments of a lot of other people (including mine), not just here in this thread. I was just laying all of them out.

He may not be a bad person but a person's character is shown by the decisions he makes. In my opinion if he does make those moves it reflects lack of character. You don't see anything wrong with going AWOL? or if he does go to DLSU. Let's put it in a different scenario. In business if a manger who just got IT training in let's say Japan, of the company I work for just leaves without turning over his work it would be terribly irresponsible. He would never be accepted back. If he turns up in the rival company you bet he would make a lot of people suspect his character. Like I mentioned it may not be important to some or the Tallos.

So given that his flawed character will be reflected if he goes to X school, where else can he transfer to? No matter how people perceive him to be, at the end of the day the fact still remains that he is a wizard with the basketball and a lot of schools would love to have his services. Should he sacrifice the better options just because he doesn't want people to brand him as a so-and-so and settle for a bad one, just so people would leave him alone? If he settled for less people would give him shit anyway, might as well man up, face the consequences of his departure from Ateneo and go for what's best for him. He has to look out for himself and not mind the negative points people have against him.

As for the bias against Cebuanos. Don't you think you are generalizing? It could be a language barrier, it could be a style of play barrier (I still think hat is the case in the Macmac story. Coach Norman runs but does not run and gun.). How many Cebuanos get sent to Manila compared to how many players total get to Manila. You are competing again against the best of the best. Just because you are a superstar in Cebu does not mean you are among the elite in the Philippines.

Yes chances are he would be stuck on the bench. There are proven players in front of him. Sometimes you have to work to get what you want. Not everything will be handed to you. Look at Monfort. From someone who noone even took a second look, now a vital par of the team. Hard work is a virtue that needs o be developed. Basketball at all levels is littered with stories of players who were superstars at the previous level but were nothing on the next because they didn't work at it.

The playing in Cebu school= big fish in a small pond. Can you honestly tell me that is not the situation? The best of the best at his level are in Manila. He has/had the opportunity to go. Greg did that to be trained by what he thinks is the best big man coach in the Philippines right now (Coach Norman also helps the Gilas big men). If you look at his past games you would be surprised how far he has developed in 1 year.

Slaughter belongs here in Manila, his potential is just too good to leave untapped in Cebu, I don't blame him for making the move. But Slaughter was pirated*. UV never wanted him to go, the Admin (or Eddie Gullas) was wailing about the fact that if Slaughter transfered to Ateneo they'd get the credit of developing him when it was UV who gave him his first real break. Sure, it can be argued that the term 'pirate' is inappropriate because Ateneo made him a better player, but even while in UV Slaughter had already made strides in his improvement. He was SO BAD when he was in 1st year, but during the 2nd he had already become quite serviceable, and more so in the 3rd. I've mentioned this in another thread, back when Slaughter was in UV, Manila people called him "the next EJ Feihl", but now that he's in Ateneo he's "the next best big man". That's why we shouldn't blame UC for refusing to release Junmar Fajardo, because Slaughter had set a precedent.

I wasn't saying that all of our guys who get to Manila are superstar-caliber, so I'm not bemoaning the fact that the stars of guys like Canada, Colina, Oping, etc. haven't shone the brightest. What I meant was that Mark Jayven, with the skills he has, has the best shot for a Cebuano player to once again make waves like Dondon. I am not throwing the 'Cebuano discrimination' card on the table here, of course I know to trust the coach to decide when a player is ready, especially if that coach is Norman Black. Nindot lang unta ba kung hatagan sad ug gamay PT si Mark Jayven, token minutes lang gud, kay maayo ra sad gyud kaayo siya para i-bangko. Di pa man sure nga mu-translate ang duwa ni Mark Jayven to Manila standards mao nang nindot sad unta maka-kita ta para naa tay basis (although in practice, he was really supposed to have been doing good, which explains why the lot of Ateneans who've seen him play are bewailing the fact that he left kay na-sayangan sila). Either way, he has to work hard. Just because he left does not mean that he wasn't working hard or that he didn't want to put in the work.

You have your opinion about DLSU's academics I have mine. My cousin hung out with athletes in Translation Management (or is it Management Translation) because he was the team manger of one of the smaller varsity teams. I know some of the DLSU golf team (same course) because I am part of the golf industry. You cannot even compare what they go through to what Oping Sumalinog does to pass and get his 3.+ QPI. Bringas by all accounts did not even go to campus except to go to practice. I never said that DLSU was NEVER concerned about academics. I just said that if you wanted to turn pro at something the DLSU system was more accommodating (than the Ateneo system) if you wanted a degree (Translation Management) from a prestigious school and get continuous exposure and training in your sport

Maybe you experience is/was different. Those are mine.

Wala nay Translation Studies courses, I heard that was way back in 2002 or something pa. DLSU has cleaned up their act since then, it's unfair to use that as basis in the present. Yes, Ateneo is one of the more rigorous schools academically, but DLSU is arguably right up there with them. By the end of the 3rd/last trimester you are totally drained, especially if you're used to the regular semestral system and you see that your friends from other schools are already well into their summer break while you are still studying like mad.

There are many stories regarding Buenafe's case. Some say the girl and ADCjr were long separated, some say the girl was a stalker, some say nag-sapakay sila Buenafe and ADCjr. Some say ADCjr left the school because of Academics-others the case. Based on Ateneo reports (and the Trillo statement from 2 weeks ago) Buenafe is currently off the team until he gets that portion of his life in order-"handles his case" I think were the exact words. Meaning the Team is concerned about the person of Buenafe, not just his playing time. They of course want his talent on the team but what good what that be to them is the player's personal life is not in order. Putting him on the team (in the FilOil) would have contributed o the team but would have taken extra toil on his personal life with the case.

Whatever the real facts are I will be happy to discuss them when facts do come out.

I also admire the way Trillo/Team Mgmt. has handled this Ryan Buenafe and Art Dela Cruz situation. But keeping Buenafe off the team does not mean they are teaching him what to do every step of the way, it's really up to Buenafe if he wants to make a change for the better, that's what I'm trying to say. The school can only do so much. (There has been buzz about Buenafe keeping in touch with Baste, asking if he can move back there to play. What does that say about his character?) Igo ra sila maka-ingon kang Buenafe nga he will be cut from the team if he doesn't lose weight, di nila ma-pugos si Buenafe nga magpa-niwang. Wa gyud gani ni-niwang si Buenafe, maayo lang gyud kaayo siya that's why Ateneo never let him go.

Yes I am putting a premium on the school because I am from that school. That school also taught me to put a premium on other things that I now consider more important in life. Being a good person, utang na loob, showing care and respect. That is why I am also concerned with how the Tallo's decisions and the way they are being executed will affect his person not just his career.

I totally understand how you feel about Ateneo. I just don't like the fact na murag condescending kaayo ang idea nga since he's leaving Loyola, his personality or character/his overall growth as a person is out of the equation and will be left to the dogs or that basketball ra gyud ang gusto ipa-buhat niya, leaving out all the rest. Ateneo ra gyud diay pwede mu-mold ug good personality? Tinuod man, maayo man gyud ug training ang Ateneo, pero they are not the only good school and they are not the only ones capable of molding good personality. I just wish that we can take off our blue (or green or red or whatever colored-) glasses when we criticize other schools.

I hate that I'm sounding like such a smartass, kapoyan na ko sige lalis ani, I guess we can just agree to disagree. Like you said sir, I have my experiences and you have yours, let's call this a stalemate and stick to the topic? LOL

* - To be clear, by pirate I mean it in the context of "taking one's work and passing it off as its own". While technically Slaughter wasn't "stolen" out of UV, once Slaughter makes it to the PBA it's safe to say that he will be known more as a Blue Eagle/Ateneo product than a former UV Green Lancer, even if he actually will have played more years in UV (3) than in Ateneo (2 at most, if he stays til next season).

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this is good... daghan nindot nga ideas dri dah...

for me wrong move to becuase Ateneo has already spent for his training and also dako unta kaau siya makat.onan sa system ni coach Norman black ( im not saying wla na siyay makat.unan from other teams or coaches)... therefore his character is questioned na nuon... Filipinos put a premium on "utang na loob" and this is a clear example of the exact opposite..

what next? his character is already in question because of his recent move but the world should not stop here for him.. he should man up and face the consequences of his actions... transfer to a rival school is like hitting two birds with one stone; 1: he gets to be in one of the best basketball programs in the phils 2: he gets back at Ateneo for not playing him enough or at all ...

whatever happens he should continue playing the sport that he loves and does best;

There is also a big lesson here which i hope he learns in due time.