Philippine Military Aircrafts

[elvandesantos]

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metal fatigue? hmhmh..lemme see..to keep things simple, we all know that the not-so-new and older aircraft are made of metal. mostly aluminum to be precise. those metal parts, especially the airframe and its subcomponents are progressively subjected to tensile stress and loads during flight. because of this, gradual deterioration occurs after thousands and thousands of hours of flight time and this deterioration leads to metal fatigue to stress-critical, load-bearing points of the aircraft. to make it much more simple, this can be called aircraft osteoporosis.

tnx for clarifying sir c

[Untrue]

our airforce is focusing right now on homefront.. aka npa's and muslim rebels. what we need is battle taxi's, airplanes that could carry load. logistics that can be traveled in battle.

LOL same as the PAF. Poor airforce and weaponry. Hahay at least we have brave pilots.

[noy.juan]

metal fatigue? hmhmh..lemme see..to keep things simple, we all know that the not-so-new and older aircraft are made of metal. mostly aluminum to be precise. those metal parts, especially the airframe and its subcomponents are progressively subjected to tensile stress and loads during flight. because of this, gradual deterioration occurs after thousands and thousands of hours of flight time and this deterioration leads to metal fatigue to stress-critical, load-bearing points of the aircraft. to make it much more simple, this can be called aircraft osteoporosis.

Ever since the AFP changed the modernization program to Capability Upgrade Program, ", because it realized that we can't prepare to fight a future war -- if we can't make sure that we win the present war (ISO)

quote from Manokski:

A Service Life Extension Program has been started with all remaining serviceable OV-10s slated to go through the program. With the assistance of Marsh Aviation, the PAF is currently overhauling and modernizing the airframe and its systems as well as replacing the increasingly difficult to maintain and service three bladed propeller with brand new units from Marsh Aviation and Hartzell. The program includes the replacement of the difficult to maintain three bladed propeller, fitting of new gearboxes to improve maintainability, zero timing the airframes and overhauling of the aircrafts subsystems to extend the service life of the airframe, improve serviceability and make the fleet easier to maintain. In place of the old three bladed propeller, a new 100 inch diameter propeller designed and manufactured by Hartzell has been fitted. In addition, the fleet is due to receive enough locally build 20mm gun pods to equip all aircraft.

so for those who say OV-10 can only drop bombs think again. probably taken from F8



Source: Manokski: OV-10

im pretty sure they already did to other asset also...

the USAF did it before on their A-10 extending its life...

[noy.juan]

LOL same as the PAF. Poor airforce and weaponry. Hahay at least we have brave pilots.

unless the Operations & Maintenance portion of the budget is addressed, we will experienced what is currently happening on the South African Gripens and submarines...

Air force, navy 'just for show

Cape Town - The expensive Gripen fighter jets, frigates and submarines which cost South African taxpayers billions of rands will mainly be on the ground and in port over the next three years, because there's no money to operate them.

The DA has called this a disgrace, while the department of defence's excuse is that its budget is hopelessly inadequate.

According to the department's strategic plan for the next three years, which was submitted to Parliament on Wednesday, their budgeting allows for the following:
- That the Gripens will spend 550 hours in flight in the current financial year, after which this will be scaled down to 250 flight hours per year for the next two years; and
- That the navy's 18 ships will have 10 000 hours at sea in 2011-2012 and 9 000 hours at sea per year in 2012 and 2013.

Operational capabilities

DA MP David Maynier said at a meeting between the parliamentary portfolio committee for defence and the department that it's clear "the defence force is being stripped of its operational capabilities".

"Look at maritime defence: Taking into account what we have at our disposal and the hours at sea which have been budgeted for, the navy's ships will spend 23 days at sea and 328 days in port. Perhaps eight ships - including the frigates at the submarines - would be more realistic: That would mean they'd spend 55 days at sea and 299 in port.

"Concerning the air force: We have 11 Gripens and 550 flight hours available this year, which means they are flying less than half of the hours required to comply with Nato (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) standards. Most of these hours will be used during the 2010 World Cup, and between July and the end of the financial year, these fighter jets will be standing in their hangars," he said.

"It gets worse in the following years: Once all 26 Gripens have been delivered, they'll spend an average of 9.6 hours in flight per year."

Helmoed-Römer Heitman, a defence expert, described this budget as ludicrous and said if this is the way the navy and air force are run, the defence force might as well shut its doors.

According to him, Nato requires that fighter pilots log 20 flight hours per month (240 flight hours per year per fighter pilot, compared to the air force's budget of 550 flight hours) to remain operationally functional.

Bought for show

"According to these standards our air force is only barely going to be able to keep two fighter pilots in business.

"As far as our navy is concerned, it is now clear that the frigates and submarines were only bought for show."

Thabang Makwetla, deputy minister of defence, said it isn't the department's fault and that the problem lies with the inadequate defence budget.

According to Professor Renfrew Christie from the University of the Western Cape, South Africa is currently spending about 1.2% of its gross domestic product (GDP) on defence, compared to 4.5% in 1989.

The World Bank recommends that a functional defence force should be allocated no less than 2% of the GDP.

Source: Air force, navy 'just for show': News24: South Africa: News

now if we get those fancy jets like most of you here drool on, will end up like the south africans experienced.... and to think they have bigger defense budget than we have.... we can actually afford to buy modern aircraft, but is a matter of CAN WE MAINTAIN IT? the cost of ownership is way beyond the price tag....

[dandavix08]

Source: Manokski: OV-10


kani plus gutling gun morag nag a-10 thunderbolt

[noy.juan]

Source: Manokski: OV-10


kani plus gutling gun morag nag a-10 thunderbolt

its not a gattling gun....

[elvandesantos]

unless the Operations & Maintenance portion of the budget is addressed, we will experienced what is currently happening on the South African Gripens and submarines...

Air force, navy 'just for show

Cape Town - The expensive Gripen fighter jets, frigates and submarines which cost South African taxpayers billions of rands will mainly be on the ground and in port over the next three years, because there's no money to operate them.

The DA has called this a disgrace, while the department of defence's excuse is that its budget is hopelessly inadequate.

According to the department's strategic plan for the next three years, which was submitted to Parliament on Wednesday, their budgeting allows for the following:
- That the Gripens will spend 550 hours in flight in the current financial year, after which this will be scaled down to 250 flight hours per year for the next two years; and
- That the navy's 18 ships will have 10 000 hours at sea in 2011-2012 and 9 000 hours at sea per year in 2012 and 2013.

Operational capabilities

DA MP David Maynier said at a meeting between the parliamentary portfolio committee for defence and the department that it's clear "the defence force is being stripped of its operational capabilities".

"Look at maritime defence: Taking into account what we have at our disposal and the hours at sea which have been budgeted for, the navy's ships will spend 23 days at sea and 328 days in port. Perhaps eight ships - including the frigates at the submarines - would be more realistic: That would mean they'd spend 55 days at sea and 299 in port.

"Concerning the air force: We have 11 Gripens and 550 flight hours available this year, which means they are flying less than half of the hours required to comply with Nato (North Atlantic Treaty Organisation) standards. Most of these hours will be used during the 2010 World Cup, and between July and the end of the financial year, these fighter jets will be standing in their hangars," he said.

"It gets worse in the following years: Once all 26 Gripens have been delivered, they'll spend an average of 9.6 hours in flight per year."

Helmoed-Römer Heitman, a defence expert, described this budget as ludicrous and said if this is the way the navy and air force are run, the defence force might as well shut its doors.

According to him, Nato requires that fighter pilots log 20 flight hours per month (240 flight hours per year per fighter pilot, compared to the air force's budget of 550 flight hours) to remain operationally functional.

Bought for show

"According to these standards our air force is only barely going to be able to keep two fighter pilots in business.

"As far as our navy is concerned, it is now clear that the frigates and submarines were only bought for show."

Thabang Makwetla, deputy minister of defence, said it isn't the department's fault and that the problem lies with the inadequate defence budget.

According to Professor Renfrew Christie from the University of the Western Cape, South Africa is currently spending about 1.2% of its gross domestic product (GDP) on defence, compared to 4.5% in 1989.

The World Bank recommends that a functional defence force should be allocated no less than 2% of the GDP.

Source: Air force, navy 'just for show': News24: South Africa: News

now if we get those fancy jets like most of you here drool on, will end up like the south africans experienced.... and to think they have bigger defense budget than we have.... we can actually afford to buy modern aircraft, but is a matter of CAN WE MAINTAIN IT? the cost of ownership is way beyond the price tag....

haha read this before sad. nag palit sila.. pero wa nila sila nag huna2x sa gasto pag operate ani nga mga assets. tsk tsk.why buy a BMW when your budget for fuel is only for multicabs... 9hours a year per gripens? give me a break!

[elvandesantos]

Ever since the AFP changed the modernization program to Capability Upgrade Program, ", because it realized that we can't prepare to fight a future war -- if we can't make sure that we win the present war (ISO)

quote from Manokski:


so for those who say OV-10 can only drop bombs think again. probably taken from F8



Source: Manokski: OV-10

im pretty sure they already did to other asset also...

the USAF did it before on their A-10 extending its life...

sir, zero timing the airframes? after 9999+flight hours of the bird it can be reset to zero?

[noy.juan]

sir, zero timing the airframes? after 9999+flight hours of the bird it can be reset to zero?

im not 100% familiar about the OV-10 SLEP Program but AFAIK, its not reseted back to zero but just prolonging its service life

[Deadstring67]

mga bro, when e deliver ang sokol?

wa may update.