MERGED: CHINA: Next Superpower?

[noy.juan]

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Mo-singit ko ha, ang china dugay na nag-apil2x sa kalihukan sa atong nasud. Niadtong mga early 90s duna koy na kauban sa dorm nga former scout ranger. Nibalik sya ug skul kay nagpa discharge tungod kay na-pusilan siya during one of the encounters in luzon with the NPAs na-igo iyang paa ug na-apektahan ang iyang pag-lakaw. During that time ang kusog ma-news sa mga encounter with the communists kay didto sa maraag valley sa luzon. Ingon sa ako dorm mate nga duna silay na-overrun nga kampo sa NPA dunay mga empty cans sa Ma-Ling nahabilin. Ang ila food supply intawn mostly sardines ug local canned goods. So meaning China is clearly supporting our local NPAs.

part can you ask your friend if when and where ni nga encounter, i can pull some legs on some people i know in FSRR, so i can verify this story....

china did support NPA until 1978, beside during the 90's nagbaha ug maling diri sa pilipinas due to smuggling.... i remember naa pagani to issue about food poisoning sa maling.... so just by saying nga naa maling nakita ni support na ang china?, so its like saying that if they found some US MRE nag support na ang US...

[darkraven]

nup. we're not ready for them.

Just read this article.
China aircraft carrier confirmed by general
BBC News - China aircraft carrier confirmed by general

[kazuya]

diplomatic protest nalang ta kutob ani.

[likyam]

sige mog pangaway ug insik, kung wa pud nag negosyo ang mga insik ngari asa nalng pud kaha ta pupulutin, , aw ato jud sa kangkungan,im sure all of us nay bisag usa ka relative na employ sa insik uli probinxa plant kamote:P

mao bah? so you mean, were a bunch of consumers here? you're just being bias na. makainsulto ka sa kaliwat pinoy.

one big question for you: why the h**l are you here in our country? makagaba kaayo kag comment, although i have to admit opinion sad dyud nuun na nimo. pero for me lang ha, it's the stupidest thought a fellow filipino could say agains himself. we appreciate the chinese on their efforts for a cheaper alternative for our material things. pero do you think, products are only made in china? karon pa ka gipanganak?

whether they are here or not sir/mam, mabuhi ang pinoy. ayaw tim-osa imo pagtan-aw sa kaliwat namo. kai di tanang pinoy pareha nimong hangol sa teknolohiya ug makabag-ong gamit.

no offense, pero mostly gidala na products sa china diri we see are more on quantity than quality. try to check this thought: have you thought about the consequences of over consumerism that chinese do to my country? my country ko ha kai sa comment nimo mura etsapwera man nimo ang kaliwat na pinoy gud.

kung sanilas gibaligya sa insik maguba, kada celphone na china maguba, kada prudukto na wa na sa uso na wa na mahalin ilabay, gahunahuna ka ana? daghan kaayo supply pirmi gikan china pero pwerte ka manageable sa demand. maluuy ko sa pinas kai pwerte na ka problema pangita solusyon asa ilabay ang mga basura nya papuno lang nang mga pruduktong baratohon aron dali papuno sa trak sa basura kai dali maguba. tsk.

[wikki]

TS - No! we will never be ready for China, We can't even solve the rebel problem in the Southern Areas.

@treize - Thats not conspiracy, Even Iraq and Iran have used bio weapons from the past. If China does go to war with another able country it wont be conventional. Its either Nuclear, Biological/Chemical or Highly technical as in shutting down the entire countries government infastructure and banking which are all linked to the internet. In the end only the victory matters, and the victor gets to decide what is right or wrong, thats how it has always been.

btw not all islands conveniently named spratly by a f*** westerner is officially a part of the philippines, note: The Philippines is also contesting ownership of the islands (We dont own it!, hell not even a single Filipino is living on it untill recently when there were rumors of oil under them. shesh!), but if you take a look at official history reconds those islands belonged to China, Vietnam and Cambodia. (And i mean those really really old historical records and maps! yes maps!, not those that suddenly popped up post wwII with english names on them, go figure!)

[wikki]

@likyam - wala may relation ang gi explain nimo kay iceman and sa iyang gi post. Bad quality atong products diri from China since kana raman sad e import sa mga distro nato diri, kay if mag dala sila sa class A products maka afford kaha ang mga taw?(mao ranay nag pa float sa economy nato karon, kay if mu sunod ta sa West selling a single class A product once a month ma matay ta sa gutom tanan) take note of those hi-end computer products, China produced na sila tanan, pero maayo man gyud ang quality. If you have to measure a countries Capability in production both in quality and quatity and its economic capability, measure it looking at thier militray thats basically the only department where they dont and can't afford to hold anything back.

Seriously what do we have? Our people are so freakin lazy and stupid they'd rather sell thier resources than find ways to manufacture them (well there are those that do, but a few years later they end up selling them to larger corporate entities cuz they just want the money, period), and selling them to Westerners seems more ok than to the Chinese? Idiots! thats basically the same. And nothing beats this country in plain in your face corruption, its in the blood of the people na gyud as in culture.

During the Marcos Era the people had a choice, to continue Marcos regime and rise economically and try for Democracy LATER (antos gyud! walay ni saka sa taas ga lingkod og ga shot og red horse!)or go Democraptic. Thats where we stand now, no one can deny that nor any amount of excuses will. Take a look at Egypt, that will be the next wohoo i Love the West and we love democracy nation just like us.

[likyam]

@likyam - wala may relation ang gi explain nimo kay iceman and sa iyang gi post. Bad quality atong products diri from China since kana raman sad e import sa mga distro nato diri, kay if mag dala sila sa class A products maka afford kaha ang mga taw?(mao ranay nag pa float sa economy nato karon, kay if mu sunod ta sa West selling a single class A product once a month ma matay ta sa gutom tanan) take note of those hi-end computer products, China produced na sila tanan, pero maayo man gyud ang quality. If you have to measure a countries Capability in production both in quality and quatity and its economic capability, measure it looking at thier militray thats basically the only department where they dont and can't afford to hold anything back.

Seriously what do we have? Our people are so freakin lazy and stupid they'd rather sell thier resources than find ways to manufacture them (well there are those that do, but a few years later they end up selling them to larger corporate entities cuz they just want the money, period), and selling them to Westerners seems more ok than to the Chinese? Idiots! thats basically the same. And nothing beats this country in plain in your face corruption, its in the blood of the people na gyud as in culture.

During the Marcos Era the people had a choice, to continue Marcos regime and rise economically and try for Democracy LATER (antos gyud! walay ni saka sa taas ga lingkod og ga shot og red horse!)or go Democraptic. Thats where we stand now, no one can deny that nor any amount of excuses will. Take a look at Egypt, that will be the next wohoo i Love the West and we love democracy nation just like us.

well pareho man mo ug hunahuna gud. you're to excessive at insulting my race as a Filipino. may katungod mo mag ingon ana if di unta mo pilipino.

basaha iya post and yours as well and you will see what i mean. i don't really need to feed you the info kai it came from your mind. you said filipino businessmen were lazy? why would they think of selling products in the first place if they were indeed selling and were called businessmen?

back before when the era of manufacturing were rampant, there were plenty of which here. so dont dare tell us na wai kwenta ang businesses here na ginama sa pinoy kai tungod lang kai gibaligya.

pero its hard to explain to a person for which you know you are at the opposite sides of the pole. basta para nako, wai sama mo makainsulto ug kaliwat. ignore nalang nako ang thought and i apologize for replying to your posts. klaro nang wai kapadulngan ang discussion. so diri palang end na.

balik nalang ko sa topic nako.

[noy.juan]

TS - No! we will never be ready for China, We can't even solve the rebel problem in the Southern Areas.

obviously you dont know the real story of our internal insurgency/secession!!, i advice you drop to this site and read more so you will be aware... -> Philippine Defense Forum - Index

@treize - Thats not conspiracy, Even Iraq and Iran have used bio weapons from the past. If China does go to war with another able country it wont be conventional. Its either Nuclear, Biological/Chemical or Highly technical as in shutting down the entire countries government infastructure and banking which are all linked to the internet. In the end only the victory matters, and the victor gets to decide what is right or wrong, thats how it has always been.

we already know that during the first gulf war... every time a nation is declaring war it always consider what are the pros and cons... right now china is slowly leaning towards capitalism, they are focusing more on economic development...

the agression on the KIG is not an act of invasion, but merely excerting their claim of the KIG

it will still be a conspiracy theory until no solid proof about this... if you cant even provide one then STFU!

btw not all islands conveniently named spratly by a f*** westerner is officially a part of the philippines, note: The Philippines is also contesting ownership of the islands (We dont own it!, hell not even a single Filipino is living on it untill recently when there were rumors of oil under them. shesh!), but if you take a look at official history reconds those islands belonged to China, Vietnam and Cambodia. (And i mean those really really old historical records and maps! yes maps!, not those that suddenly popped up post wwII with english names on them, go figure!)

it is officially called Kalayaan Island Group or Spratly Islands...

and btw i dont know where you got your info, have you heard of Pag-asa or Thi Tu island the biggest island on KIG?, they have and airfield on that island Rancudo Airfield, officially Pag-Asa is a brgy, naa naman gali sila didto cellsite, smart nga lang...



do yourself a favor... READ MORE POST LESS

[wikki]

well pareho man mo ug hunahuna gud. you're to excessive at insulting my race as a Filipino. may katungod mo mag ingon ana if di unta mo pilipino.

basaha iya post and yours as well and you will see what i mean. i don't really need to feed you the info kai it came from your mind. you said filipino businessmen were lazy? why would they think of selling products in the first place if they were indeed selling and were called businessmen?

back before when the era of manufacturing were rampant, there were plenty of which here. so dont dare tell us na wai kwenta ang businesses here na ginama sa pinoy kai tungod lang kai gibaligya.

pero its hard to explain to a person for which you know you are at the opposite sides of the pole. basta para nako, wai sama mo makainsulto ug kaliwat. ignore nalang nako ang thought and i apologize for replying to your posts. klaro nang wai kapadulngan ang discussion. so diri palang end na.

balik nalang ko sa topic nako.

Filipino ko brad, the fact is your only defending your point of the argument by citing the few Filipino business men that are capable but doesn't even value quality for the most part, while most of them aren't even selling local products and those that have local products and producing them are selling them abroad and pricing them so high locally (so much for nationalism and local economic gains). No matter what you post here about our race, it doesn't change the fact that our race has a serious cultural issue and overly brainwashed by western media (hasta nba finals mura gud boang ang mga taw, big deal kaayo nila nba finals!), also we are corrupt to the core and doesn't value nationalism (kutob ra gyud sulti, ang tinood ra kay katong na matay na kay na ligsan og tanke sa mga Aquino). If we weren't we would have done what France and China did to its government when they couldn't take it anymore.

[wikki]

@noy.juan - nya kanus.a mana na tukod? post ww2 sad? btw Wikipedia is edited to cater to the West Propaganda Engine. NO PROOF OF BIO WEAPONS where the hell have you been? READ MORE POST LESS GYUD, ESPECIALLY HISTORY. And no Country not even the US nor Russia would openly admit that they have a cheap bioweapon that can erase an entire country in a single go, that would create a panic and a massive arms race. They'd be doing what Hitler did with his V2 rockets and the prostpect of it carrying Nukes, what happend? oh yeah Japan got it twice! because Germany was dead when the bomb was ready for it.

Read a History book about a topic thats contains a lot of conflict and read Wikipedias Version, the old books dont lie, later revision have been edited, But you judge what is real and what is edited.

@noy.juan - oh and about the war on the South, Defence what? thats plainly an economic engine being kept running for gold Period. thats no secret and people are cheap when it comes to sheer mass amount of the harvest, if your too stupid to even comprehend that and how the world economy runs (yes the world, not just locally) dont even post a reply.