Catholic Church has billions invested in BPI, Philex, San Miguel

[vipvip68]

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Seriously? You really believe that the donation you are giving to the Church will be given to the poor? And why is it, that the poor people also donates money to the Church?

Og ang donation sa simbahan ipanghatag sa pari ngadto sa mga pubri, unsa naman lang imong ipakaon sa pari nga wala mana silay sweldo?

its not what I believe... its whats expected of the church

You have to ask those people giving what they believe the money they give the church will be used for.

You have to value the gesture of poor people giving from what little money they have. They give in the hope that the money will be put to good use.

If everyone had the mindset that the donation won't really help the poor or be used for a good cause.. then why do they still donate?

[dmcebu01]

Is that your idea? well, a plain distrust. imuha pod nah.





Acceptance of accountabilities. But promoting hatred is not good. Support? Kinsa gud tawn ganahan anang mga sexual abuses nga gibuhat sa ubang pari.
Unsa man gusto nimung buhaton sa mga tao? Stage war and destroy the entire Church organization and idamay ang majority sa mga kaparian nga nagtinarong sa ilang serbisyo? Broaden your insights, don’t generalize.




You never mentioned but you make it sound na you can do better if only you have the power to take over the Church with your way of thinking.

they are handling the money right and the trust is their among members. audit not necessary.

FLIP FLOPPING........earlier you support and consenting all their actions now I brought the facts in the table, now you don't support them because of child abuse and etc? WOW..I need to behave now..............if you have no other arguments we'll just be quiet.....

[vipvip68]

Supposedly, mga pari dina pwede naay BANK ACCOUNT. Okay ra ta na kong naa silay sweldo dili sab palabihan nga amg tukod ug balay , apartment, internet cafe nga himo on ng NEGOSYO. Makonsensya sab unta sila kong ingon ana ilang tumong mogwas sila apgka PARI mag negosyante nalang. AGRE BA MO SA AKONG GISULTE?


Naa man goy pari akong nahibal an nga nagpatukog ug internet cafe unya ang gamit nga name sa iyang pag umangkon. Na a pud koy nailhan nga pari nalukop nalang pamalit ug yuta. MAGLIBOG KO NGANONG NAG PARI MANI SILA NGA NEGOSYO MAY TUYO bisan ni servisyo pa ni sila sa GINOO, pareho rani ug ni take advantage sa mga tao nga nanghatag ug donation.

I have contacts in a big international bank here in Cebu and I can tell you, priests have a lot of personal bank accounts... and its the premium account pa gyud which requires at least 4 million pesos and up. And the currency they use is EURO pa gyud...

I wont name the bank lang. My contact didn't disclose the names of the priests either since its against their rules.. but ni ingon gyud siya nga daghan daw gyud mga pari with those high tier nga accounts.

[koontz_circle]

FLIP FLOPPING........earlier you support and consenting all their actions now I brought the facts in the table, now you don't support them because of child abuse and etc? WOW..I need to behave now..............if you have no other arguments we'll just be quiet.....

you didn't get my point. I said support sa Church pero dili sa negative nga binuhatan sa ubang abuser nga mga pari.

balikon nako? "Kinsa gud tawn ganahan anang mga sexual abuses nga gibuhat sa ubang pari."

[vipvip68]

Niya I beg to disagree sa inyong gipakita nga pangwarta ra ang religion, like the Roman Catholic Church... kung pangwarta ra diay ni, magpakamatay kaha ang mga martir sauna ug karon alang alang sa ilang pagtuo? Molungtad kaha ug halos 2000 years ang Simbahan kung hinimo-himo ra diay ni sa yawa, despite sa mga persecutions sukad pa sa panahon sa Roman empire hangtod karon?

Religion is a belief system which convinces some people to sacrifice their own lives in its name. This sacrifice is then honored and used as an example to further boost and perpetuate said religion as it idolizes these martyrs.

Daghan pud raba ug natabang ang catholic church ug ubang religion sa history sa kalibutan... without the catholic church, patay na gyud unta ang european civilization when the Roman Empire fell in the 5th century A.D... but thanks sa Church, na-preserved ang learning, culture, etc..

You left out the part of the history where the Catholic Church supported Hitler and Nazi Germany.

sa Philippines pa lang daan, daghan ug nahimo ang simbahan nga nakapausab sa atong kasaysayan... Kung wala pay gituhuang Diyos ang mga tawo, naa kaha tay moralidad karon? moila pa kaha ta sa kabilihon sa kinabuhi sa tawo? naa pa bay mga tawo nga musunod sa iyang sakto ug maayo pagka-formed nga konsyensya? Magpasalamat pa gani ta sa Simbahan kay kung wala pa gitawag ni Cardinal Sin ang mga tawo nga magpundok sa EDSA, walay People Power 1... Martial Law pa ta hangtod ron...

Are you saying the Philippines was immoral before the Spaniards came?

I suggest you read up on the history of the Philippines during the pre-colonial era.

RELIGION DOES NOT OWN MORALITY.... that is the LIE it wants you to believe so you cannot live without religion.

In other countries and cultures, people live moral lives and do good for their fellowmen without the need for religion.

Religion can be used as a guide for those who need it. But it is not a requirement for the educated and mature societies that have laws and codes of conduct.

The Catholic Church has as much to do with the people leading it than the institution itself. You can have good leaders like Cardinal Sin that can rally the Church ... yet you can have a disjointed CBCP that cannot come to a common understanding with what to do.

[vipvip68]

I hope maka-gee mo sa akong point.. If naa man gani nakadeposito nga kwarta ang Catholic Church, it is because, it is an institution and it also needs to finance its projects for the poor, for maintenance of our churches and church owned infrastructures, which have become our link to the past, and other transactions nga nagkinahanglan ug kwarta... I dont think nga pangwarta ang tinood nga reason behind that kay if pangwarta ra, wala ra untay misa, magsige ra nag pangolekta ang mga pari ug obispo...

Are you kidding me?

No Mass, No Cash....

Akong question is... why does the Church have so much money? Why doesnt it give more to the poor?

It is in a position to do so much more for society if it wanted given its financial resources... BUT it decides to keep the PEOPLES money for itself.

[tokidoki]

millions to fund abuse cases?! wow! you know what other institution has that kind of structure? HOSPITALS.

As far as I know, only hospitals have some sort of "lawsuit insurance" for malpractice suits. Back in the day I didn't imagine the church would have this kind of "insurance" to back up problematic priests! whew!

In the first place, that money is to help people in need NOT do damage control for their mess! Kasayang anang kwartaha oi. gigamit ra pangtago sa mga abusado na parian!

If I may say so, I'm glad most of you are making your sides clear. Di preha anang uban nga naa diri naa didto pero walay klaro gilabanan.

[vipvip68]

You have your facts sir pero ikaw ang wala ni stick sa topic. Look, from investments (thread topic), here you are googling about child abuse settlements. Come on it’s not news anymore, late reaction ka.. dugay nang nasayod ang mga tao ana, pero padayon silag visit sa Church kay in ana ka solid ilang faith despite the negatives nga binuhatan sa nagdumala, dili ang Church as a whole.

you want perfection from the Church with you penny? Sorry but you can’t have it.. tao rana sila, every organization has its flaws, even in family setting if sungayan ang isa ang tao mubuhat jud nag dautan regardless sa organization nga ilang gi represent. Mao bitaw ni conduct na ang Church recently og strict nga screening sa mga pari as part of their program to fight off the occurrence of exploitations in the future.

Topic is about church's investments. Were talking about where our Donations go. IF theres information that the donation just ends up as settlement money for child abuse victims, then it is a big blow to the church as an institution.

I don't think people are expecting the church to be perfect. BUT we do expect these Church people to have a higher standard of morality since they themselves are supposed to be our role models and guides. In short, being good and doing good is their PROFESSION and is expected from them.

If you treat the church like any other organization like a corporation then it has a lot of unnecessary expenses due to violations from its employees. It should be a non profit organization, yet its employees are enriching themselves with fancy houses, cars and other expenses like support for the families of its employees. Despite being non-profit, It has amassed billions of pesos while millions of people are poor, hungry and suffering.

IF the church was an organization.....it surely is being mismanaged.

[makie]

The next time I give tithes, I'll attach a deposit slip and a small piece of paper with instructions telling the church to open an account for me and invest it where they are investing theirs on my behalf.

[vipvip68]

The next time I give tithes, I'll attach a deposit slip and a small piece of paper with instructions telling the church to open an account for me and invest it where they are investing theirs on my behalf.

Better to just give them the receipt from the donation you gave to charity.