MERGED: CHINA: Next Superpower?

[tackielarla]

The gap between US and Chinese naval power is just huge; you have absolutely no idea. US naval battle fleet tonnage is greater than the next 13 largest navies combined.

Look at the numbers:

Aircraft Carriers:
China = 0; US = 11;

Destroyers:
China = 26; US = 59

Cruisers:
China = 0; US = 22

Frigates:
China = 50; US = 30

Submarines:
China = 7 SSN's, 4 SSBN's; US = 53 SSN's, 18 SSBN's

This isn't even counting the countless other support craft, long range bombing via B2's, and the US's superior espionage capabilities through satellites, and not to mention electronic warfare suites available on each surface vessel (which China is only starting to get installed)...

Now who'll win a naval confrontation with the US again?

Exactly my point. Add to that the countless US warheads and Air Force bombers just dying to drop them bombs (war = $$$, fyi).

we are never going to be ready for anything. di man gani ta ready sa mga local nato nga contra, unsa pa kaha if laing nasud..plus china pajud..di ta kadaog.

But seriously, di ingon ana ka bolok ang china.They do not, & will not invade a country.. if ingon ana pa na sila, hagbay ra ta ang taiwan..& if we start counting unsa ang ila military capabilities or unsa ang naa sa ila arsenal...i don't think it matters.. bisan 100 ships ang ang US, only 1 nuke, papas tanan.. wa na sa unsa imo gamit, its all about strategy. & it works both ways.. so if we start comparing the 2 sides, na wa jud nay gamit..kay bottomline if maggira sila..kita may alaot..

True, but that is besides the point. Indeed there will be casualties, but we should never back down especially when they're shooting us ON OUR OWN FREAKING TERRITORY!

[Visual C#]

4 letters bai, NUKE, as what I said, win or lose, bagsak jud sila, mao na di na sila manghilabot sa China, and as the previous poster said, economically, dependent na sila sa China, so they wont engage with the 2nd most powerful country, much more just for a small country like philippines

Nukes, you say?

People's Republic of China and weapons of mass destruction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nuclear weapons and the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

US = 5,113
China = 400

Delivery systems?

The US has the B61, B83 bombs.. all deliverable by F-16's, F-18's, and F-22's. F-18's are on aircraft carriers with virtually unlimited range. Did I forget to mention the ICBM's and IRBM's with MIRV capability? How about SLBM's through Ohio-class nuclear attack submarines? Did I mention the B-2 Spirits and B-1 Lancers? How about Tomahawk cruise missiles (can be armed with nuclear warheads) that can be armed on virtually any surface ship (Arleigh-burke class destroyers, Ticonderoga-class cruisers..etc.)

And you still say "nuclear" will help China win?

[kajrot1]

U.S. couldn't even defeat the North Koreans and the Vietnamese they have no chance at all at beating China. Military might alone won't win the war, you must also consider politics. The American public won't tolerate another war apart from its own self-defense especially when the casualties start piling up.

wala sad nmo g take into consideration na ang chiNA will not only facing USA but as well as the allies UK,france etc
if you google the numbers of submarine, cruise ship or unsa pa na outnumbered namn daan ang china what more kung napay allies mo tabang..
bitaw americans will not tolerate this war pero kung public security na gali they wont hesitate to support their country..

point lng nako this war is far from being possible pero d jd malikayan mo abot rajd ning adlawa.. when that day comes who's side are you in? ako im definetly sa US side.

[tackielarla]

U.S. couldn't even defeat the North Koreans and the Vietnamese they have no chance at all at beating China. Military might alone won't win the war, you must also consider politics. The American public won't tolerate another war apart from its own self-defense especially when the casualties start piling up.

Erm, I beg to differ.


NoKor: ended in a stalemate due to politicians running the war, not the soldiers. Truman chickened out when MacArthur threatened to nuke the Chinese to oblivion, while Gen. Chiang Kai-Shek's forces invade China from Taiwan.

Vietnam: could've just nuked them commies, but again politics took over.

[Visual C#]

Erm, I beg to differ.


NoKor: ended in a stalemate due to politicians running the war, not the soldiers. Truman chickened out when MacArthur threatened to nuke the Chinese to oblivion, while Gen. Chiang Kai-Shek's forces invade China from Taiwan.

Vietnam: could've just nuked them commies, but again politics took over.

Exactly. The Korean War ended in a stalemate because the US did not want a full-blown war with the Soviet Union (Europe was still being rebuilt at this time). This was the first proxy war during the Cold War; classic politics prevailed.

The Vietnam War ended in a political defeat for the US, as there was mounting opposition to the war at home. If you look at casualties, Vietnam suffered the most. Even the Tet Offensive, which many said was a turning point in the war, ended in more casualties in the Viet Cong side.

[Eve's Apple Project]

@ visual C: i don't think china will win over the US (or US over china) because of the quantity of Nukes they have. It will only take 1 lucky shot to end a brutal war. we on the otherhand are just going to be expectators + casuality (as usual).it can't be denied nga nag-andam na ang US for China..China is smarter than what we think.. china has hardcore allies nga motabang nila if mahitabo man gani na. i think it is undeniable nga ang china di mag-una2 og away. if mahitabo man gani nga mag gira, then it will be the fall on both sides.If nabuhat na sa US middle east, i don't think makaya na nila diri & china pajud.

[orochimaru700]

4 letters bai, NUKE, as what I said, win or lose, bagsak jud sila, mao na di na sila manghilabot sa China, and as the previous poster said, economically, dependent na sila sa China, so they wont engage with the 2nd most powerful country, much more just for a small country like philippines

i don't know any nuke numbers for every country, but 1 thing i surely know, US
sanctions nuclear installments in other countries, meaning, cla ra dapat ang naay dghan NUKE kysa lain pang kanasuran, not even the China could compete the nuclear warheads

[itsYUHboyZANT]

God forbid war but if ever there is one, i'll gladly fight for my country. I can't imagine our women being raped by Chinese! Just imagine if this happens to our moms, wives, sisters, girlfriends... Shoot. NOYNOY, please do something. If it's possible to forfeit the PDAFs of our congressmen and senators, I think you should do it even just for a short period of time so that we may buy AIRPLANES, WARSHIPS, MISSILES, BOMBS, or NUKES to blow the crap out of China, just in case they invade our lands.

[aron lewis]

ka paranoid ba nimo ts

di na mahitabo oi, ky kitay usa sa mga konsumedor sa mga imit nilang mga produkto! hahaha

tanang butang made in chinaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[Eve's Apple Project]

ka paranoid ba nimo ts

di na mahitabo oi, ky kitay usa sa mga konsumedor sa mga imit nilang mga produkto! hahaha

tanang butang made in chinaaaaaaaaaaaa!

exactly my point.. di ni mahitabo. kabalo sila sa consequences if buhaton ni nila.. imagine worldwide boycott sa ila mga produkto? if tan-awn nato kinsa ang kusog mo invade, that will be the US. & sa karon, safe ta kay wa may makuha ang US sa ato (humana man sauna, na invade nata daan..hehe). Aggression sa spratlys is natural, para sad na di ta manghilabot nila. murag basketball ba, masikhan gani ka yaw panawag sa ref para motawag og foul. paniko sad..baws2 rana. ang ato lang kay di man ta kabalo maniko gud (wa sad tay ikabuga) mao gihimo ratang kataw-anan. if kusog (og limpyo) pa ta og military force, i am sure walay mohilabot nato.

OT: take SG or Brunei (or even taiwan) for example, kagamay anang mga nasura, ngano man nga walay manghilabot sa ilaha? it is all about respect..bottomline, wa silay respect sa atong nasud (Govt). kay if naa pa, wa nay buang nga moilog sa Spratlys og sa SABAH.