Ecumenism: Uniting the Churches

[brownprose]

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let's just see in the near future...

We are in the 21st Century and none of what Adventists predicted ever happened since the Great Disappointment in 1844. You will continue to be greatly disappointed because you read the Bible wrong.

Papal Letter, "Dies Domini" On Keeping The Lord's Day Holy

The Papal call for people to keep Sunday Holy, and push for legislature to make this "convenient".

No legislation has ever been made to impose Sunday worship. It may have been called by the pope in the past but it didn't have anything to do with breaking the Sabbath as you imply but rather a call to acknowledge the Day of Resurrection in place of the Sabbath after Jesus did away with ceremonial laws in which the Sabbath was generally practiced.

I am not a Catholic, but the position of the Catholic Church with reference to Sunday observance (in lieu of the Sabbath) is a matter of Theology aptly observed in light of the Biblical Resurrection. The same position is held by non-Catholic Christians in celebration of man's redemption from sin and his break-away from the bondage of the "Law" which upholdsthe SUBSTANCE rather than form to which man must relate to his God which is " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Besides, do you think that by being strict in your observance of the Sabbath would make any Adventist any better before God? Of course not...between obedience and love...love prevails.

Further, how do we know that the Sabbath observed in the olden times is the same sabbath we observe today? There weren't any accurate calendars ever adopted until the 15th Century. You can just imagine how many times the Sabbath was altered [due to the lack of it] from its original observance since the time of Abraham. Notable of which was that of Julius Caesar (45 BC) in which it ran eleven minutes short--a deficit that accumulated gradually over the centuries so it means that the true or original Sabbath day may not be at all the same today as it was before.

Your false sense of "a prophecy come true" is compounded by the fact that you misread papal encyclicals to suit your eschatology unaware that many of these encyclicals were deemed obsolete or overridden by new Theologies.

The Roman Catholic Church as it is now, recognizes the authority of the state being above the church. The business of the church (like any other church) is to guide its flock to the standards of ethical behavior enshrined in their individual theologies than "to legislate" (according to your prediction) for the state what is the true day of worship. This is perhaps one of the most ridiculous predictions ever came up by a religious denomination. History tells us that the catholic church has learned its stupidity already of the dire consequence of being involved in government.

Bro, Ellen G. White (a unbiblical prophetess) and your apologists don't even know their history that it had to concoct too many assumptions to support a cultic/exclusive eschatology to berate all other Christians who assemble on a Sunday.

Get real.

Prophecy says "he thinks to change times and laws" (Daniel 7:25)

Hmmm...and you really think so it is the Catholic Church? That's laughable...since when did we ever have a law that was legislated to change the day of worship? As a matter of fact, we have laws that were created to respect the days of worship of not one but all religions and do you think the Sunday worshippers is going to change that?

You can invent many stories like you invented the infamous Vicarius Felii Dei to attack the Catholic Church. Well anyone can invent stories anyway these days -- In fact Ellen White, the revered Adventist matriarch, was said to be the real 666 (not the RCC) according to some denominations...but that would be another story of invention.

[NASYO]

the only way to unite churches, religion, people.
and to mend social, ethnic, color differences is by "Imagine" alone.

Paminawa gud ninyo ang "Imagine"

some say it's only an idea.

YES, it is an idea. We must have an idea for what to do.

I have done a lot to spread love and peace.

Nagbunga jud tanan.

[newtonscousin]

We are in the 21st Century and none of what Adventists predicted ever happened since the Great Disappointment in 1844. You will continue to be greatly disappointed because you read the Bible wrong.



No legislation has ever been made to impose Sunday worship. It may have been called by the pope in the past but it didn't have anything to do with breaking the Sabbath as you imply but rather a call to acknowledge the Day of Resurrection in place of the Sabbath after Jesus did away with ceremonial laws in which the Sabbath was generally practiced.

I am not a Catholic, but the position of the Catholic Church with reference to Sunday observance (in lieu of the Sabbath) is a matter of Theology aptly observed in light of the Biblical Resurrection. The same position is held by non-Catholic Christians in celebration of man's redemption from sin and his break-away from the bondage of the "Law" which upholdsthe SUBSTANCE rather than form to which man must relate to his God which is " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' and 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' Besides, do you think that by being strict in your observance of the Sabbath would make any Adventist any better before God? Of course not...between obedience and love...love prevails.

Further, how do we know that the Sabbath observed in the olden times is the same sabbath we observe today? There weren't any accurate calendars ever adopted until the 15th Century. You can just imagine how many times the Sabbath was altered [due to the lack of it] from its original observance since the time of Abraham. Notable of which was that of Julius Caesar (45 BC) in which it ran eleven minutes short--a deficit that accumulated gradually over the centuries so it means that the true or original Sabbath day may not be at all the same today as it was before.

Your false sense of "a prophecy come true" is compounded by the fact that you misread papal encyclicals to suit your eschatology unaware that many of these encyclicals were deemed obsolete or overridden by new Theologies.

The Roman Catholic Church as it is now, recognizes the authority of the state being above the church. The business of the church (like any other church) is to guide its flock to the standards of ethical behavior enshrined in their individual theologies than "to legislate" (according to your prediction) for the state what is the true day of worship. This is perhaps one of the most ridiculous predictions ever came up by a religious denomination. History tells us that the catholic church has learned its stupidity already of the dire consequence of being involved in government.

Bro, Ellen G. White (a unbiblical prophetess) and your apologists don't even know their history that it had to concoct too many assumptions to support a cultic/exclusive eschatology to berate all other Christians who assemble on a Sunday.

Get real.



Hmmm...and you really think so it is the Catholic Church? That's laughable...since when did we ever have a law that was legislated to change the day of worship? As a matter of fact, we have laws that were created to respect the days of worship of not one but all religions and do you think the Sunday worshippers is going to change that?

You can invent many stories like you invented the infamous Vicarius Felii Dei to attack the Catholic Church. Well anyone can invent stories anyway these days -- In fact Ellen White, the revered Adventist matriarch, was said to be the real 666 (not the RCC) according to some denominations...but that would be another story of invention.

Get real bro.

Look what's really happening now? or your one of them who's fun of imagining and not taking seriously what's happening now. Even many Catholics are asking what's going on now? state decisions are tainted by church?

nice point their, but only if it applies in reality.

666? read the Book of Daniel and Revelation and you will see who has really the identity of the Beast.
YouTube - (1) Amazing Prophecy | First Beast of Revelation 13!
YouTube - The Mark of the Beast | Exposed

who has authority both religious and political power?

1 point: Revelation 13:7 - And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

remember Inquisition? "We must rank Inquisition as among the darkest blots on record of mankind."
Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, vol. 4, p. 78

who initiated? can't imagine bro how Christians suffered.

"That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mandkind will be questioned by no Protestant who has a complete knowledge of history. It is
impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no powers of imagination can adequately realize their sufferings."
W. Leeky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, vol. 2:32

Bible prophecy is very precise cause it came from God.

[brownprose]

Get real bro.

Look what's really happening now? or your one of them who's fun of imagining and not taking seriously what's happening now. Even many Catholics are asking what's going on now? state decisions are tainted by church? .

Hunch...speculations. Unfounded. Not worth the salt. Not worth the comment.

666? read the Book of Daniel and Revelation and you will see who has really the identity of the Beast.
YouTube - (1) Amazing Prophecy | First Beast of Revelation 13!
YouTube - The Mark of the Beast | Exposed

who has authority both religious and political power?

I've read Daniel since I was a kid...your interpretation is no less than, again and again, A HUNCH!

remember Inquisition? "We must rank Inquisition as among the darkest blots on record of mankind."
Will Durant, The Story of Civilization, vol. 4, p. 78

who initiated? can't imagine bro how Christians suffered.

"That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mandkind will be questioned by no Protestant who has a complete knowledge of history. It is impossible to form a complete conception of the multitude of her victims, and it is quite certain that no powers of imagination can adequately realize their sufferings."
W. Leeky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, vol. 2:32

True. But it is non sequitur to assume that RCC is the beast.

And by the way, that video you posted is obviously a work of those apologists trying to make a connection between what's happening now and those biblical prophesies. Surely, anyone can make a connection with just about any event today with the Bible just to suit their end-time stories.

Just in case you forget, the Bible says that mark of the beast is a "number of a man" not some kind of symbolism and all that BS about that Sunday Law nor that ubiquitous barcode that you repeatedly fed to your innocent flocks. Let me read it for your sake: The King James translates (Rev 13:1 -- " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

And to be fair, I would like to use the same unintelligible formula (from Ellen White's "The Great Controversy") you use against the RCC -- what else but the notorious "Vicarius Felii Dei (666)" just for me to prove that Ellen G. White (Adventist's "revered" prophetess) could also be the mark of the beast and that worshippers of the beast could also be the Adventists!

Ellen = L+L=100,
Gould=U+L+D=555,
White=a double 'U' = 2 'V's +1 =11.
Total these three numbers, and we have, 100 + 555 + 11 = 666.

Now, doesn't it count, too?

The whole point to this exercise is to prove that any Tom, Dick and Harry can also have his own version of "connect the dots." That all these hullabaloo about end-time stories are at best bedtime stories.

Bible prophecy is very precise cause it came from God.

Arguably, which of the zillion prophetic interpretations are we going to believe here, yours? The Rapture? What about those zillion prophesies from the RCC? Those of Nostradamus' or Madam Auring?

Hmmm...asa may tinood ninyo tanan?

[NASYO]

Get real bro.

That's right. Get real jud.

Ayaw na ang POWER2X. MAGIC2X. GAHUM2X ug uban pa.


Try practicing the idealogy of "Imagine" ni JOhn lennon

[newtonscousin]

That's right. Get real jud.

Ayaw na ang POWER2X. MAGIC2X. GAHUM2X ug uban pa.

Try practicing the idealogy of "Imagine" ni JOhn lennon

may John Lennon bless you bro and guide your path for eternal life.

[baliguat]

ideologies separate us, dreams and anguish bring us together....

greed and hatred in additional...

[NASYO]

may John Lennon bless you bro and guide your path for eternal life.

now your talking.

John Lennon as GOD?

so helpless.

[newtonscousin]

Hunch...speculations. Unfounded. Not worth the salt. Not worth the comment.

see? that's all you can say about what is really going on now? nothing more precise than reality.

I've read Daniel since I was a kid...your interpretation is no less than, again and again, A HUNCH!

you called Bible prophecy a HUNCH? it seems you don't like the Bible prophecy. if so, what's your interpretation since you claimed you knew it since kid? any HUNCH?

And by the way, that video you posted is obviously a work of those apologists trying to make a connection between what's happening now and those biblical prophesies. Surely, anyone can make a connection with just about any event today with the Bible just to suit their end-time stories.

Just in case you forget, the Bible says that mark of the beast is a "number of a man" not some kind of symbolism and all that BS about that Sunday Law nor that ubiquitous barcode that you repeatedly fed to your innocent flocks. Let me read it for your sake: The King James translates (Rev 13:1 -- " Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

And to be fair, I would like to use the same unintelligible formula (from Ellen White's "The Great Controversy") you use against the RCC -- what else but the notorious "Vicarius Felii Dei (666)" just for me to prove that Ellen G. White (Adventist's "revered" prophetess) could also be the mark of the beast and that worshippers of the beast could also be the Adventists!

Ellen = L+L=100,
Gould=U+L+D=555,
White=a double 'U' = 2 'V's +1 =11.
Total these three numbers, and we have, 100 + 555 + 11 = 666.

Now, doesn't it count, too?

nice there.

another point to identify the beast is:
Revelation 13:5 - And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Remember that "the Beast Blasphemes by claiming to be God and grants forgiveness"
Vicarius Filii Dei means "Representative of the Son of God"

still a HUNCH? i think so for you cause it seems you don't believe Bible prophecy.

Fullname: Ellen Gould Harmon White. it seems you forgot something to add up.

and she never claims as a "Representative of the Son of God"
One thing also, Seventh-day Adventist never consider her as our Prophets. the center of her writings is Jesus Christ and she never claim as a God or she replaced the role of divine authority and power in this earth. this is what Seventh-day Adventist Believe...Seventh-day Adventists Believe. . . The Word of God 27-01.htm

which is again opposite to this:

“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.”
Pope Leo XIII, in an Encyclical letter, dated June 20, 1894

“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, hidden under a veil of flesh.”
The Catholic National, July 1895

“This judicial authority will even include the power to FORGIVE SIN.”
The Catholic Encyclopedia vol. 12, article “Pope”, p. 26

Arguably, which of the zillion prophetic interpretations are we going to believe here, yours? The Rapture? What about those zillion prophesies from the RCC? Those of Nostradamus' or Madam Auring?

Hmmm...asa may tinood ninyo tanan?

your question carry only a simple answer bro.
for me, it's the Bible the Words of God.

i don't know with you.

God Bless.

[NASYO]

see? that's all you can say about what is really going on now? nothing more precise than reality.



for me, it's the Bible the Words of God.

Words of God? Written by men?


How Come?